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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Uh, you're completely disregarding the fact that BLM is the least mobile job... The reason why the lower half of the chart is on a below plateau than the upper half is because those jobs are completely mobile and not needing to stay on melee range.

    I'm not making a differentiation based on role type, but rather based on mobility and the fact that a ranged job will always be less risky to play because they can be anywhere.
    BLM not mobile? They have 2 triple cast, 2 sharcast that gives instant Fire III / Thundercloud procs, Swift cast, Quickcast Ice Paradox, Xenoglossy procs, Aetherskate to allies, Between the Leylines. Black Mage is showered with, on demand, mobility tools. Most of that mobility is tied to damage, Xenoglossy and Triple Cast so using those mainly for mobility will result in a minor damage lost since you're burst wont be fully built. Thats what separate a decent to a good Black Mage.

    Strats are made for them to keep those tools specifically for damage. BLM opener burns both triple cast for a damage gain. They should be rewarded from not using their ability for mobility but for damage. That's why they should be higher but they shouldn't be this high, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    BLM not mobile? They have 2 triple cast,
    No. They. Don't.

    I see this repeated everywhere and it's not true. They have two initial stacks of triplecast. Both of which get used in the opener. What does that mean? It means you get a single extra triplecast per fight if you're using it on cooldown (or close to), as you should be. Anyone who is consistently getting back up to 2 stacks of triplecast is just bad at the job.

    Even with the tools BLM has, it is still by far the least mobile DPS job in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyPendragon View Post
    No. They. Don't.

    I see this repeated everywhere and it's not true. They have two initial stacks of triplecast. Both of which get used in the opener. What does that mean? It means you get a single extra triplecast per fight if you're using it on cooldown (or close to), as you should be. Anyone who is consistently getting back up to 2 stacks of triplecast is just bad at the job.

    Even with the tools BLM has, it is still by far the least mobile DPS job in the game.
    Let's not be hyperbolic, which is what you are being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyPendragon View Post
    No. They. Don't.

    I see this repeated everywhere and it's not true. They have two initial stacks of triplecast. Both of which get used in the opener. What does that mean? It means you get a single extra triplecast per fight if you're using it on cooldown (or close to), as you should be. Anyone who is consistently getting back up to 2 stacks of triplecast is just bad at the job.

    Even with the tools BLM has, it is still by far the least mobile DPS job in the game.
    What are you talking about? So you're using your mobility tool as a DPS gain for damage. That sounds like a SMN that would use Swiftcast to swift Slipstream for a damage gain and suddenly loss the whole "raise" option. Except, strats are designed for you to keep that mobility toolkit for damage as much as possible. You are extremely mobile and it's on demand. A mechanic that would require you to move, you'd use triple cast there because it's a greater loss to move and not cast. You don't need 90% of your spells to be instant to have good mobility. Summoners are absolutely using my "choices" of Ifrit/Garuda/Titan based on maximal DPS gain. If you want to have a lesser DPS loss because of mobility, then probably you want to use your Sharcast procs? their procs are all instant.

    If anything, Blackmage's true fun aspect of this job is how you're going to use mobility in exchange of fire power so you have to right to write in bold like I've just insulted the entire community. If anything, I probably know your job more than you know my main job right now. Oh, wait. I actually do. I used to main BLM when mobility was a real thing and when Enochian was a 1 minute CD with an Enochian refresh that lasted shorter and shorter.

    To answer you, does BLM have less mobility than SMN? Yes. Is BLM mobile? Yes. Just use strats that don't make you move. I barely move in P3S. I could absolutely shred the boss on my BLM.
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    Last edited by Aikaal; 01-31-2022 at 11:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyPendragon View Post
    No. They. Don't.

    I see this repeated everywhere and it's not true. They have two initial stacks of triplecast. Both of which get used in the opener. What does that mean? It means you get a single extra triplecast per fight if you're using it on cooldown (or close to), as you should be. Anyone who is consistently getting back up to 2 stacks of triplecast is just bad at the job.

    Even with the tools BLM has, it is still by far the least mobile DPS job in the game.
    Yes. They do.
    I see your argument repeated everywhere, and you're wrong. They have two initial stacks of Triplecast. One of which should be used in the opener, and the second which could be. It means you can hold a maximum of two charges. Anyone who is consistently getting back up to 2 stacks of Triplecast to negate heavy movement scenarios is just good at the job.

    You need to consider if holding uses of Triplecast will, at the end of the fight, have lost you a usage. You also need to consider if moving with Triplecast will inherently be a bigger DPS gain than using them both under the 2 minute burst window.

    With the amount of instantcasts BLM has now, it is one the most mobile jobs in the game.

    And it doesn't even gimp your numbers.
    Now granted, the recent patch would imply that they are aware of this being possible, and the buffs seem to be leaning towards making this less optimal- but that doesn't mean you still can't do it. Because as long as you're casting something, it's better than casting nothing.

    Saying that they can't pocket two stacks of Triplecast is like saying tanks can't pocket two stacks of their gapclosers. The number of uses of Triplecasts in a fight that is 7 minutes 30 seconds has been increased from 7 to 8, yes- but the number of casts you can do in a row using Triplecast has gone from 3 to 6.

    No, I do not play BLM, but I did run TEA with a BLM. We mapped out every single fight for him, step by step, GCD by GCD- and he had one single movement during Living Liquid where he was reliant on a thunderproc. During Brute Justice Cruise Chaser he didn't have even a single movement he couldn't cover with instantcasts. And during Perfect Alexander he was a stationary turret for the entire fight.

    If you are slapping your dick on Triplecast whenever it's back up you're not playing the job efficiently.
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    Last edited by Theihe; 02-01-2022 at 12:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theihe View Post

    No, I do not play BLM, but I did run TEA with a BLM. We mapped out every single fight for him, step by step, GCD by GCD- and he had one single movement during Living Liquid where he was reliant on a thunderproc. During Brute Justice Cruise Chaser he didn't have even a single movement he couldn't cover with instantcasts. And during Perfect Alexander he was a stationary turret for the entire fight.

    If you are slapping your dick on Triplecast whenever it's back up you're not playing the job efficiently.
    I will waste this post only to let out my appreciation that a none caster understands casts. Thanks you for this. I also want to add that on this video, the Paradox rotation is significantly weaker now thanks to BLM buffs. However, it is a bigger DPS lost not to cast then to use the Paradox rotation for a short period in order to move while casting. So if that can help anyone suggesting that SMN shouldn't do damage due to mobility. There you go.
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