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  1. #41
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    LukaRoselia's Avatar
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    Because spaghetti code, they can't remove it from Summoner without removing it from Scholar as far as I can remember.
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  2. #42
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    Rose Blackstorm
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaRoselia View Post
    Because spaghetti code, they can't remove it from Summoner without removing it from Scholar as far as I can remember.
    Am not completely sure that's the reason since they said doing the job changes live stream that smn rez was on the chopping block and they decided to keep it. So if they were thinking about removing the rez from smn that tells me they can remove spells from smn and keep those same spells on sch since the rez is like physick and is shared by both jobs thought act.
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  3. #43
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    Exodus-E's Avatar
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    Swygnebb Ahldhyltsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaRoselia View Post
    Because spaghetti code, they can't remove it from Summoner without removing it from Scholar as far as I can remember.
    Not really.
    Ever since ShB, the only skill SCH shares with ACN/SMN is Resurrection.
    Whatever skill(s) they may seem to share are pretty much their own "versions" of them (see: Physick, Ruin II or Energy Drain).
    In any case, it would make far more sense to simply upgrade SMN's Physick into Rekindle.
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    Forever waiting on *new* Egis/summons (e.g. Ramuh-Egi).

  4. #44
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    just enough heal to top off your own hp when needed for stack/spread mechanics sometimes, very niche but it happends
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    Last edited by smol_cofe; 01-28-2022 at 10:45 AM.

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    Arilaya Syldove
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJPtheAssassin View Post
    Am not completely sure that's the reason since they said doing the job changes live stream that smn rez was on the chopping block and they decided to keep it. So if they were thinking about removing the rez from smn that tells me they can remove spells from smn and keep those same spells on sch since the rez is like physick and is shared by both jobs thought act.
    They're different spells. At this point it's literally there because of tradition. The only people who would notice is any summoner who's not at least level 50, and has access to combined mind+int gear, meaning it actually heals for real values.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranok View Post
    They're different spells. At this point it's literally there because of tradition. The only people who would notice is any summoner who's not at least level 50, and has access to combined mind+int gear, meaning it actually heals for real values.
    Yeah after I posted my comment I looked in-game and saw they considered two diff spells, I forgot they was for some reaon. But it doesn't change my comment bc if they weren't two different spells they could still delete it one job and leave it on the other since the dev was thinking about doing that with the rez spell. The rez spell is the only spell smn and sch share currently in-game and they were thinking when they was reworking of smn of getting rid of the rez. At this point, the dev could do whatever they want and I don't believe "spaghetti code" is holding them back.
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  7. #47
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    Mello Minkus
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaRoselia View Post
    Because spaghetti code, they can't remove it from Summoner without removing it from Scholar as far as I can remember.
    It has now been more than eight years since A Realm Reborn released.

    As a full-time programmer who also has to frequently debug or update legacy code, I understand that spaghetti code is incredibly annoying to untangle, and I do sympathize with those developers, but toward actively paying customers of a project that’s making so much money that new registrations have to be temporarily locked because of hardware acquisition limitations, it only works as a justifiable excuse for not making pretty notably needed changes of fully breaking Scholar apart from Arcanist for so long.
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  8. #48
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Was used to heal the pet. Which you can't heal anymore. And low level content until scaling falls off since the spell is coded to scale off of Mind instead of Intelligence. They could easily just upgrade the skill instead of keeping it the way it is. Red Mages will vote against that direction however. Only one can have a Vercure I guess.
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  9. #49
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    Dal S'ta
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    As a full-time programmer who also has to frequently debug or update legacy code, I understand that spaghetti code is incredibly annoying to untangle, and I do sympathize with those developers, but toward actively paying customers of a project that’s making so much money that new registrations have to be temporarily locked because of hardware acquisition limitations, it only works as a justifiable excuse for not making pretty notably needed changes of fully breaking Scholar apart from Arcanist for so long.
    You need a justifiable excuse for not starting Summoner and Scholar at level 1 as separate class/jobs? How about "additional expense for little return"?

    Sure, it might be satisfying to dump Physick from the Arcanist hot bar, but is that really necessary from an economic viewpoint? Go ahead, justify the additional expense to a stockholder in the company. Change their mind.

    Hand waving can be fun, but it is non-productive. In your opinion "fully breaking Scholar apart from Arcanist" might make sense. It doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather focus on the 60 levels after you can become a Scholar, since that makes much more sense.

    All of this simply so you don't have to look at Physick on the Summoner hot bar? Hint: you can remove icons from your hot bar with extremely little effort.
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I personally, would like a level 30 Trait that changes Psychic into a instant 500 potency heal. And during Phoenix phase it's potency is increased by 600. Of course that probably means having Rekindle do something else.
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