All vacant plots in all wards and districts should be raffled, not camped

[Raoabolic]

A raffle basically shifts the RNG we have elsewhere without actually fixing the underlying issues with housing that need fixing. Any added "supply" in small numbers will be pointless if they don't address the demand.

So your argument is don't bother? Are you just upset that they are nerfing the 3rd party tools? Are you upset that spending 10+ hours clicking on a placard is going to end? A and S rank mobs exist if you want to camp things. I fail to see what you are trying to get across. I agree that something needs to be fixed but considering the whole thing goes sideways when there are too many instances open means having instance housing is a very slim prospect. That said, if you want top tier housing then play EQ2. For all the shortcomings that game has the housing portion of that game is amazing and I wish XIV would just copy their system.

[Vahlnir]

So your argument is don't bother? Are you just upset that they are nerfing the 3rd party tools? Are you upset that spending 10+ hours clicking on a placard is going to end? A and S rank mobs exist if you want to camp things.

The chances of getting a house are low enough now and will be even lower come 6.1 so yeah, that would be my suggestion. Don't bother with housing. I've got a house, don't use 3rd party tools (got mine legit long before placard spamming became a thing, and I play on console anyway) and I hate the fact that people have to camp a placard to buy a house right now. I don't camp hunts either, so...there's that too. Figured I'd get all of that sorted out for you. But anyway, all of that said, I still think a raffle is a bad idea. They need to fix housing at its core instead of trying to apply band-aid fixes that aren't all that helpful. A dumpster fire is still a dumpster fire no matter how much they try to mask it. There needs to be a serious push by the player base for real change here.

[Reinha]

Why not simply sell them in an auction and keep the minimum price as they were...

This would have been the best solution. Each time a plot opens up, people would have one chance to place an offer, the highest one wins. Gil is removed from circulation, resales are impossible and you would be able to improve your chances by putting in more effort.

[Skivvy]

The chances of getting a house are low enough now and will be even lower come 6.1 so yeah, that would be my suggestion. Don't bother with housing. I've got a house, don't use 3rd party tools (got mine legit long before placard spamming became a thing, and I play on console anyway) and I hate the fact that people have to camp a placard to buy a house right now. I don't camp hunts either, so...there's that too. Figured I'd get all of that sorted out for you. But anyway, all of that said, I still think a raffle is a bad idea. They need to fix housing at its core instead of trying to apply band-aid fixes that aren't all that helpful. A dumpster fire is still a dumpster fire no matter how much they try to mask it. There needs to be a serious push by the player base for real change here.

At this point I don't think we'll ever see any massive change to the housing system in this game. Can only hope they've learned from their many mistakes in XIV (more than just housing..) and implement better systems in their next MMO. We can't even get races implemented in full due to the system...what chance is there for the housing system? :/

Since we've heard just about no news regarding the island sanctuary, I'm imagining it to be like the mog gardens in XI. You have a few beds for gardening, can raise monsters, and then it gives you a few daily nodes to collect from with fishing, botany and mining. I'm ever-so-slightly optimistic that it will be more than this, but my expectations are low at this time. I reaaaally hope this at least brings decent housing to the masses (no, I don't think apartments are decent).

[Shibi]

This would have been the best solution. Each time a plot opens up, people would have one chance to place an offer, the highest one wins. Gil is removed from circulation, resales are impossible and you would be able to improve your chances by putting in more effort.

There are at least two LB41 collectors with all their retainers gilcapped.

How can you choose between the two or more who bid the cap of 999,999,999 gil?

In fact, all these gil capped players could corner the market more, grief, own a full ward without care. Just bid 200,000,000 on every small and honestly, how would a normal only has 100,000,000g player ever win?

[Theox]

This would have been the best solution. Each time a plot opens up, people would have one chance to place an offer, the highest one wins. Gil is removed from circulation, resales are impossible and you would be able to improve your chances by putting in more effort.

This is just so bad on so many levels. There are a lot of people with their gil capped at 999,999,999, we would basically get the same issue we have now where people get an entire ward for themselves just because they can. We need housing to be accessible for everyone, not just to those who have enormous amounts of money.

[Eraden]

Wow. Just wow. I thought I was doing ok to have 20,000,000. Now I feel like a pauper. I've been working hard for the past two weeks to be able to afford the chance of owning a medium house and now I find out that I am playing with peanuts.

[Reinha]

This is just so bad on so many levels. There are a lot of people with their gil capped at 999,999,999, we would basically get the same issue we have now where people get an entire ward for themselves just because they can. We need housing to be accessible for everyone, not just to those who have enormous amounts of money.

Isn't housing restricted to one per server? I'd love to see houses demolished for those who own more than that.

A house that's randomly given is anything but accessible. The people who lose 30 times are still facing the same odds next time with no way to improve them.

[Conundrum]

Anyone know if "lottery tickets" are account wide?

Or could I theoretically bid on a house 8 times with alts?

[Jojoya]

Feel like elaborating on that one? All a raffle does is let you play the game and no longer have to rely on autohotkey, (which is against the ToS ;^) ).

As long as FCFS wards exist, players will continue to camp because...

More competition will lead to more RNG, which will lead to an abysmal chance of obtaining a house for everyone.

With camping your chances of getting the plot are roughly 1 in 20 (depending on how many show up) because only those who truly want the house will show up.

With lottery your chances of getting the plot are going to be 1 in several hundred (outside of the initial lottery when new wards are added, when odds will be closer to camping odds except for the medium and large plots). Even players who don't particularly care about having a house but have nothing better to spend their gil on will buy a ticket just because it's almost zero time investment and maybe they'll decide they want a house later. Winning now means they're not fighting the lottery at that later time.

Raffle shifts obtaining a house to flat rng from poopsocking a placard, and that’s precisely what I’ve been hoping for.

Definitely it's a positive for those who want a house but don't want one badly enough to camp. It's still going to be far worse odds that camping as long as the supply remains so small compared to demand.

So your argument is don't bother?

I don't think the argument is "don't bother". I think the argument is don't expect that the lottery is going to magically get you a house because there still are not enough houses to go around.

This would have been the best solution. Each time a plot opens up, people would have one chance to place an offer, the highest one wins. Gil is removed from circulation, resales are impossible and you would be able to improve your chances by putting in more effort.

Auction promotes RMT and puts more houses into the hands of wealthy players who can use multiple characters on multiple accounts to purchase multiple FC houses. It would place housing out of reach of the average player.

And resales are still very possible through change of FC leadership. It won't happen instantly as it currently does but it's highly unlikely that SE is going to set the new member waiting period to an extreme length as that would be disruptive to legitimate FCs. I'd be shocked if the waiting period is more than the current auto-dethrone period (35 days). That's not going to be a big inconvenience to a flipper who's got multiple characters with FC houses to sell.

There are at least two LB41 collectors with all their retainers gilcapped.

How can you choose between the two or more who bid the cap of 999,999,999 gil?

In fact, all these gil capped players could corner the market more, grief, own a full ward without care. Just bid 200,000,000 on every small and honestly, how would a normal only has 100,000,000g player ever win?

Would no doubt go to whichever placed the cap bid first, effectively ending the auction.