Is it just me or is WHM suffering?

[Liam_Harper]

I'm at 1.3k pie and mana is mostly fine, save thin air for rez or medica 2/cure 3 now instead of glare/holy spam.

That's almost 1000 useful secondary stat you could have geared for down the drain just to be able to function.

Meanwhile AST is at 0 pie and stacking SpS for extra dps while going MP positive.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Out of boredom I used my 711 piety & 2.47s GCD gear to Glare III/Dia a dummy non-stop. I kept Assize, PoM, Lucid, and even Thin Air on cooldown.
Just your regular 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1....

At around 10 minute mark, I had to wait about 0.5s - 1.0s to wait for lucid dream to tick just so I could go back to glare spamming. At the next PoM window, I'm completely dry without Lucid available.

Now imagine when the WHM have to dip into any of their MP-taxing heals. They'd be out of mana much sooner.

Using basically any low piety and/or fast GCD setup..? That's a death sentence for WHM.

This is an insult, to WHMs alone.

[Sarim]

Out of boredom I used my 711 piety & 2.47s GCD gear to Glare III/Dia a dummy non-stop. I kept Assize, PoM, Lucid, and even Thin Air on cooldown.
Just your regular 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1....

At around 10 minute mark, I had to wait about 0.5s - 1.0s to wait for lucid dream to tick just so I could go back to glare spamming. At the next PoM window, I'm completely dry without Lucid available.

Now imagine when the WHM have to dip into any of their MP-taxing heals. They'd be out of mana much sooner.

Using basically any low piety and/or fast GCD setup..? That's a death sentence for WHM.

This is an insult, to WHMs alone.

I repeated your test scenario today, but with "slightly" more piety, 1515 to be exact (that's with one piety essence melded btw, rest is from moonward gear and radiant robe).

I stopped the test after 15min, with about 95% mana. I think I only barely dipped below 70% as lowest. In difference to you I also never used Thin Air (it just wasn't neccessary).

Not saying this is good or bad, just presenting some more numbers so we can compare.

[Liam_Harper]

1515 is massive. Base Piety is 390. Imagine if there was a healer raid food that gave 1225 Det, which would be ridiculously good ...but it was AST/SCH/SGE only. That's what it's like being a WHM right now.

Also Thin Air is highly necessary, both because it's a dps gain so you always use it on cooldown in raid settings, and because the extra Glare casts result in more mana consumption.

Similarly SpS amount is highly important too since it results in more casts per minute, which consumes more mana. So it's a stat that hurts WHM, if you have lots of SpS on your gear you have to take more Pie to support it.

[Leonerdo]

I'm still baffled that people think WHM needs more MP tools, instead of something useful like a 2nd Assize charge, or just a bit of damage.

Everyone's experience is going to be a little different of course, but I'm currently healing savage with 600 piety, getting purple parses (healing and damage), and aiming for the 479-piety BiS set as my target. If you actually use WHM's mana tools correctly (save 1 thin air charge for Raise/Medica II, and don't ignore lilies), there's not much of a problem, unless you die and lose it all. I'll admit WHM's MP economy is worse than other healers, but that just means it has slightly less than infinite mana. That's not a big problem. And it can be entirely covered by Super-Ethers.

Basically, no healer needs piety. WHM would benefit so much more from any other buff. I'm sorry you have to think about MP for once, but I swear, you don't need buffs or a buttload of piety to manage it.

[FujikoN]

One thing needs to be understood: WHM is a Basic healer. Easy to pick up. But anyone can be a master of this class, that's why basic pure healer.
Scholar a bit more advanced, need to use your...yes, brain to play with it.
Astro is an Advanced pure healer. Tricky and very busy job. Not for everyone.
Another thing needs to be understood: There is no boring job. No boring healer. Gossip is not true, don't believe in, the healer not a green dps. healer Can contribute dps but significantly Their Job is to keep the party alive and help to correct mistakes (doesn't matter why mistakes happen)
WHM can be boring if the player only contributes a dps with their 2 dps spell and shouts if a dps ask some heal: "Not my job to correct your mistakes!"
A very familiar sentence isn't it?
I speaking from experience because I have whm but I wanted some more advanced healer and I have a very good Astro. I love to play with it. A real adventure. Also I have dps as well and I have some bad taste if I see a whm at the party. That's means I will die because of a lack of heal. Because they are busy contributing that tiny dps and don't care about a real DPS.
Be a good healer, play for your party, keep them alive and you will be the best healer and busy healer and everybody learn your name, believe me.

[RinaShinomiya]

A very familiar sentence isn't it?

No.

Be a good healer, play for your party, keep them alive and you will be the best healer and busy healer and everybody learn your name, believe me.

I wanna live in your wonderland.
So far the only recognition i ever got was "the one who always carries Dispel" in Eureka Hydatos. And i don't need to be a healer to do that.

Also just because WHM is a "basic healer" doesn't mean it's kit should have so many gaping holes.
Once you consolidate Cure 2 and medica into one button with their corresponding afflatus spells (right now its easy to do with a Macro although i wouldn't recommend it) and remove Cure 1 and Repose from your hotbar (because they're less than useless), WHM literally has only 26 buttons to work with. Every other Healers is at around 30. Because they actually have a good, albeit OP, healing kit as opposed to the supposedly burstiest healer. The only thing that makes AST more complex to heal with than WHM is the card gimmick, other than that it's literally easier than WHM in every comparable metric.

[FujikoN]

[QUOTE=RinaShinomiya;5825893]



"I wanna live in your wonderland."

It's up to you where you live. You can live in a complain world or you turn your world into the best possible way.

"AST more complex to heal with than WHM is the card gimmick, other than that it's literally easier than WHM in every comparable metric. "

If is easier why don't you play astro?
Never mind.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Another thing needs to be understood: There is no boring job. No boring healer. Gossip is not true, don't believe in, the healer not a green dps. healer Can contribute dps but significantly Their Job is to keep the party alive and help to correct mistakes (doesn't matter why mistakes happen)
WHM can be boring if the player only contributes a dps with their 2 dps spell and shouts if a dps ask some heal: "Not my job to correct your mistakes!"
A very familiar sentence isn't it?

Basically, get a party that makes mistakes so we're not stuck at 1 2 1 1 1 1 or play the "who heals faster?!"-game against your co-healer, effectively wasting one of their resources. Why yes, that's a very useful reminder of how terribly thought their design vs encounter design.

I have some bad taste if I see a whm at the party. That's means I will die because of a lack of heal. Because they are busy contributing that tiny dps and don't care about a real DPS. Be a good healer, play for your party, keep them alive and you will be the best healer and busy healer and everybody learn your name, believe me.

Personally in pug setting especially in normal contents, co-healers are typically the lowest order in my priority list to heal because I'm aware they HAVE their instants to fix their own mistakes (if it's even a mistake at all). They don't get to be lazy, use those buttons. They will only get heals from me from either collateral AoE heals (which they can miss if they like to live in Narnia, their mistake) or if I'm pretty sure they will die without my help.

Why should that WHM stop their Glare III to Cure II/Regen you when you can Essential Dignity/Celestial Intercession/Exaltation yourself without losing dps? I would supplement Benison, Aquaveil, or probably Tetra -if- I have them at all, but that's it. Contributing dps is also another form of 'play for your party'.

[RinaShinomiya]

If is easier why don't you play astro?
Never mind.

I also don't play white mage so i dunno what this Gotcha moment is trying to achieve.