[ENDWALKER SPOILER!] On Zenos

[HappyHubris]

I'm still salty that I couldn't flip off Zenos and leave him stranded on the edge of space with no one to fight and no way to end his life. Not only did I have to put up with him getting shoved in our face, but the game forced me to indulge his desire with no narrative option to not consent.

And to do so after I beat the real end boss for no reason was immensely distasteful. If you couldn't find a place for Zenos in the narrative make him a mid-expansion boss and clear his piece off the board. Don't rob us of victory after conquering the End of Days by having us almost die to a cranky toddler.

[Iscah]

I'm still salty that I couldn't flip off Zenos and leave him stranded on the edge of space with no one to fight and no way to end his life. Not only did I have to put up with him getting shoved in our face, but the game forced me to indulge his desire with no narrative option to not consent.

And to do so after I beat the real end boss for no reason was immensely distasteful. If you couldn't find a place for Zenos in the narrative make him a mid-expansion boss and clear his piece off the board. Don't rob us of victory after conquering the End of Days by having us almost die to a cranky toddler.

All of this. The worst part is that it isn't even treated as a friendly sparring match but a fight to the death, with the WoL scripted to basically die and revive by pure determination twice.

My character should not be willing to risk everything here, just to indulge Zenos's whims, to the point of possibly not returning to the people she actually cares about.

---

Late edit: "Friendly" was perhaps not the right word. But... safe. Somewhere that the Scions know where I am and that I'm probably going to need some healing when it's all over.

[HappyHubris]

All of this. The worst part is that it isn't even treated as a friendly sparring match but a fight to the death, with the WoL scripted to basically die and revive by pure determination twice.

My character should not be willing to risk everything here, just to indulge Zenos's whims, to the point of possibly not returning to the people she actually cares about.

You raise a good point. The WoL is characterized as a warm friend of the Scions who wants nothing more to return to them after a well-fought victory. Instead we're goaded into almost throwing everything away to fight an angry townie at the bar.

[Rannie]

All of this. The worst part is that it isn't even treated as a friendly sparring match but a fight to the death, with the WoL scripted to basically die and revive by pure determination twice.

My character should not be willing to risk everything here, just to indulge Zenos's whims, to the point of possibly not returning to the people she actually cares about.

I just tend to see him as the annoying ex (great when you first get together then you break up) that you do your best to try and ignore until you had to say screw it and put a restraining order on them (kill him in Ultima Thule) just to be done with him...

Basically he did threaten the people we held dear all because he didn't want to get over us.