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    I don't think that destroying the world in order to answer some nutter's question is the action of a particularly sane or benevolent individual. Each to their own, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I don't think that destroying the world in order to answer some nutter's question is the action of a particularly sane or benevolent individual. Each to their own, though.
    Never said she was benevolent. In fact, in each of my posts I've called her solutions "dark", "controversial, "and the lesser of two evils."

    And yet, that nutter's question is the basis for the Final Days as it is written in the game. That is the whole reason the writers have given for its existence.

    I just think summoning Zodiark was idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    I just think summoning Zodiark was idiotic.
    ...and as has been pointed out many times within this very thread, Zodiark is the entire reason why Etheirys even exists both before and after the Sundering. If there is no Zodiark, there is no Etheirys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    Never said she was benevolent. In fact, in each of my posts I've called her solutions "dark", "controversial, "and the lesser of two evils."

    And yet, that nutter's question is the basis for the Final Days as it is written in the game. That is the whole reason the writers have given for its existence.

    I just think summoning Zodiark was idiotic.
    Could you please then explain how it was idiotic? What other choice did they have exactly? Also bringing up Zodiark's tempering is a bit of a mott point considering we now know the "tempering" was very minimal, so much so even the loporrits say it, and we know from the short story the tempering was so minimal even the convocation was split on the 3rd sacrifice decision. Once again, the only reason they had to summon Zodiark is Venat didnt tell people the truth of what would happen and didnt prepare them. Had she told them perhaps they could have found a solution without summoning him. Its a bit besides the point though as her entire plan relied upon him. So in that case her entire plan was idiotic as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    I just think summoning Zodiark was idiotic.
    I wouldn't go so far to say it was "idiotic", the convocation might have seen it as thier only option. Though it is interesting to note that Hermes as Fanadaniel appears to be the one who designed the concept that became Zodiark. Is it any suprise that so much death was required for Zodiark to function, knowing what we know about Hermes' subconconcious desires for oblivion.

    If Hermes really did want everyone and himself to die, then getting half thier population to sacrifice themselves was a good start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
    I wouldn't go so far to say it was "idiotic", the convocation might have seen it as thier only option. Though it is interesting to note that Hermes as Fanadaniel appears to be the one who designed the concept that became Zodiark. Is it any suprise that so much death was required for Zodiark to function, knowing what we know about Hermes' subconconcious desires for oblivion.

    If Hermes really did want everyone and himself to die, then getting half thier population to sacrifice themselves was a good start.
    Well...Hydaelyn required sacrifices as well so theres that, although i thought we had already crossed this bridge a long time ago and surmised the reason Zodiark needed so many sacrifices was because he required a vast amount of aether to perform his feats. Forming a giant aether dome last minute while the planet is decaying isnt exactly easy to do.I highly doubt sacrifices were their first option, merely a last resort Could you give a citation btw on hermes being the one behind Zodiark's creation btw? I dont remember seeing that, i always thought it was hinted Lahabrea did it what with the statues in akadaemia and him being the top master in creation magicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Well...Hydaelyn required sacrifices as well so theres that, although i thought we had already crossed this bridge a long time ago and surmised the reason Zodiark needed so many sacrifices was because he required a vast amount of aether to perform his feats. Forming a giant aether dome last minute while the planet is decaying isnt exactly easy to do.I highly doubt sacrifices were their first option, merely a last resort Could you give a citation btw on hermes being the one behind Zodiark's creation btw? I dont remember seeing that, i always thought it was hinted Lahabrea did it what with the statues in akadaemia and him being the top master in creation magicks.
    I only remember Hermes being credited as the one who discovered the method by which the Final days was targeting them. I don't remember the conception of Zodiark being solely attributed to him, though I'm probably misremembering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilroreo View Post
    I only remember Hermes being credited as the one who discovered the method by which the Final days was targeting them. I don't remember the conception of Zodiark being solely attributed to him, though I'm probably misremembering.
    Wellt hats what i thought i mean....they literally have the Zodiark statues in the Words of Lahabrea in Akadaemia and that combined with his supreme prowess for creation magicks, i just cant see Hermes being the one who did it. Especially because iirc it was stated in ShB Zodiark itself was already in the works pre final days.
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