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  1. #1
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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90

    Current top 100th percentile on P1S since 6.08 buffs



    I know Yoshi-p has mentioned that we can be really merciless and ruthless on the forums but sometimes we rightfully questions the decisions.
    • How Machinist deserved such a buff to be the worst DPS by a significant margin compared to the second worst.
    • How did Monk deserve a buff?
    • How did Black Mage deserve a 4% DPS buff? They needed a small buff but that's not a small buff they've gained.
    • Why your best Machinist player is behind by 1100 DPS against your best Monk player who also received a buff.

    I'm personally unimpressed on the caster scene as a main caster. I'm being told by you to just reroll a better job so I don't hinder my team. They don't care, but I do.

    "And if that sounds harsh...it's because we care."
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    I know Yoshi-p has mentioned that we can be really merciless and ruthless on the forums but sometimes we rightfully questions the decisions.
    "We are disappointed with this latest set of changes" =/= "Go !@#% yourself and then jump off a building".

    And if your first thought is "I've never said something like that", congratulations.

    He wasn't addressing you.
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    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
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    Balmung
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    Monk Lv 100
    I'd be more interested to see what the 70-80-90 percentiles are rather than the Maximum. Monk is a pretty technical job that allows you to squeeze more potency out of it by playing perfectly, but doing so is not easy, so it being 100% at maximum isn't too surprising. I'd say its position in the DPS order should be fine as long as SAM/BLM are beating it at the other percentiles and Monk only pulls ahead if you're performing perfectly with perfect party coordination. Black Mage, Similarly, is a high skill job so it's performance at 100% being incredibly high is to be expected, and as long as it's proper in the lower tiers then there isn't an issue.

    The issue I think is a matter of perception, you are all still looking at Reaper as if it was overperforming, but the devs have balanced it as if it were performing as it should be and that other jobs around it were instead underperforming. Therefor those other jobs have been adjusted accordingly.
    (4)
    Last edited by SpeckledBurd; 01-26-2022 at 04:24 AM.

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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Maximum is not exactly the best stats to use, but 99, 95 and 90 are close.
    80 and 70 are pretty similar with over 1k damage difference between MCH and MNK.
    Problem with max is that it's a single parse heavily influenced by rng. Also, it's been only 8h since the patch.

    Without any promises for 6.1, we're not even sure MCH will be rebalanced.
    I respectfully ask of SQEX to communicate about MCH during the next liveletter, just be straight if you want to let the job in that state.
    The 20 potency feels like a dishonest way to say "We remember that MCH exist".
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I'd say take this data with a huge grain of salt, because we don't even have one "raid night" behind us yet. Tons of people just haven't yet played.

    But if it proves accurate with more data, well... Summoner does less than phys ranged while having casts and melee restrictions. Not what I was hoping for with balancing.
    (3)

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    Tulzscha's Avatar
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    Tulzscha Abbith
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    People are way too obsessed with these numbers. Well here's my take:

    1: Everyone could clear all the raids before buffs so this does nothing but make everything easier and help improve community perception. Unless you're competing to be the best in the world this is meaningless.

    2: Machinist and Summoner are much easier to pull good numbers on compared to melee or Black Mage. Many of the pugs I've been in have had SMNs at or near the top compared to others because they're so easy, saying they're not worth bringing to a group because the best SMN in the world isn't pulling numbers as high as the best Monk is the world is beyond ridiculous - so long as they're not dying SMNs will be more consistently good.

    3: MCH is fine. It was fine before and it's better now. All phys ranged are relatively low (probably due to all but guaranteed 100% uptime) plus Bard and Dancer's performance is dependent on others so it makes sense for their best case scenario to be better than MCH.

    4: Monk got a buff to one ability that isn't used often, it's not that big of a deal and will have a bigger impact in groups that play better and focus buffs on the Monk. Compared to MCH and DNC who got buffs to abilities they use more often which will have more impact on the average player.

    5: The goal here imo is to balance the average players which make up the majority, not the literal best in the world who btw scum parses, that's not what most players should be going by.
    (5)
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulzscha View Post
    1: Everyone could clear all the raids before buffs so this does nothing but make everything easier and help improve community perception. Unless you're competing to be the best in the world this is meaningless.
    While I do agree that many people fixate on it way too much, it's not meaningless beyond world first types.

    The game has strict DPS checks. Even a midcore group will clear more quickly if they have a good party composition. Even if they can clear with anything, certain setups can make it harder or easier.

    It's not all DPS too. A group that runs a white mage will have a harder time clearing the upper floors, but they should still be able to. Just it would be easier if they played something else.
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    Pocket Prince
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 57
    Yeah. YoshiP wasn't saying we can't give constructive criticism.

    He wanted the fans to stop telling his development team to fall on their swords and commit suicide.

    So you know, general Twitter stuff.
    (7)
    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post


    I know Yoshi-p has mentioned that we can be really merciless and ruthless on the forums but sometimes we rightfully questions the decisions.
    • How Machinist deserved such a buff to be the worst DPS by a significant margin compared to the second worst.
    • How did Monk deserve a buff?
    • How did Black Mage deserve a 4% DPS buff? They needed a small buff but that's not a small buff they've gained.
    • Why your best Machinist player is behind by 1100 DPS against your best Monk player who also received a buff.

    I'm personally unimpressed on the caster scene as a main caster. I'm being told by you to just reroll a better job so I don't hinder my team. They don't care, but I do.

    "And if that sounds harsh...it's because we care."
    It's pretty obvious

    Buff monk because they just reworked it and they don't want people to think the rework was a failure

    Buff Black Mage because it's Yoshi-Ps pet job.

    Basically forget phys ranged, healers, and tanks exist.

    Par for the course, really.
    (27)

  10. #10
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    Pocket Prince
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 57
    As a RDM Main, I am pretty content. RDM and DNC deserve to be married in that spot, as they basically have the same niche as the Support Buffer.
    (1)
    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

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