Current top 100th percentile on P1S since 6.08 buffs

[Aikaal]

I know Yoshi-p has mentioned that we can be really merciless and ruthless on the forums but sometimes we rightfully questions the decisions.

• How Machinist deserved such a buff to be the worst DPS by a significant margin compared to the second worst.
• How did Monk deserve a buff?
• How did Black Mage deserve a 4% DPS buff? They needed a small buff but that's not a small buff they've gained.
• Why your best Machinist player is behind by 1100 DPS against your best Monk player who also received a buff.

I'm personally unimpressed on the caster scene as a main caster. I'm being told by you to just reroll a better job so I don't hinder my team. They don't care, but I do.

"And if that sounds harsh...it's because we care."

[Kabooa]

I know Yoshi-p has mentioned that we can be really merciless and ruthless on the forums but sometimes we rightfully questions the decisions.

"We are disappointed with this latest set of changes" =/= "Go !@#% yourself and then jump off a building".

And if your first thought is "I've never said something like that", congratulations.

He wasn't addressing you.

[SpeckledBurd]

I'd be more interested to see what the 70-80-90 percentiles are rather than the Maximum. Monk is a pretty technical job that allows you to squeeze more potency out of it by playing perfectly, but doing so is not easy, so it being 100% at maximum isn't too surprising. I'd say its position in the DPS order should be fine as long as SAM/BLM are beating it at the other percentiles and Monk only pulls ahead if you're performing perfectly with perfect party coordination. Black Mage, Similarly, is a high skill job so it's performance at 100% being incredibly high is to be expected, and as long as it's proper in the lower tiers then there isn't an issue.

The issue I think is a matter of perception, you are all still looking at Reaper as if it was overperforming, but the devs have balanced it as if it were performing as it should be and that other jobs around it were instead underperforming. Therefor those other jobs have been adjusted accordingly.

[CKNovel]

Maximum is not exactly the best stats to use, but 99, 95 and 90 are close.
80 and 70 are pretty similar with over 1k damage difference between MCH and MNK.
Problem with max is that it's a single parse heavily influenced by rng. Also, it's been only 8h since the patch.

Without any promises for 6.1, we're not even sure MCH will be rebalanced.
I respectfully ask of SQEX to communicate about MCH during the next liveletter, just be straight if you want to let the job in that state.
The 20 potency feels like a dishonest way to say "We remember that MCH exist".

[Risvertasashi]

I'd say take this data with a huge grain of salt, because we don't even have one "raid night" behind us yet. Tons of people just haven't yet played.

But if it proves accurate with more data, well... Summoner does less than phys ranged while having casts and melee restrictions. Not what I was hoping for with balancing.

[Tulzscha]

People are way too obsessed with these numbers. Well here's my take:

1: Everyone could clear all the raids before buffs so this does nothing but make everything easier and help improve community perception. Unless you're competing to be the best in the world this is meaningless.

2: Machinist and Summoner are much easier to pull good numbers on compared to melee or Black Mage. Many of the pugs I've been in have had SMNs at or near the top compared to others because they're so easy, saying they're not worth bringing to a group because the best SMN in the world isn't pulling numbers as high as the best Monk is the world is beyond ridiculous - so long as they're not dying SMNs will be more consistently good.

3: MCH is fine. It was fine before and it's better now. All phys ranged are relatively low (probably due to all but guaranteed 100% uptime) plus Bard and Dancer's performance is dependent on others so it makes sense for their best case scenario to be better than MCH.

4: Monk got a buff to one ability that isn't used often, it's not that big of a deal and will have a bigger impact in groups that play better and focus buffs on the Monk. Compared to MCH and DNC who got buffs to abilities they use more often which will have more impact on the average player.

5: The goal here imo is to balance the average players which make up the majority, not the literal best in the world who btw scum parses, that's not what most players should be going by.

[Risvertasashi]

1: Everyone could clear all the raids before buffs so this does nothing but make everything easier and help improve community perception. Unless you're competing to be the best in the world this is meaningless.

While I do agree that many people fixate on it way too much, it's not meaningless beyond world first types.

The game has strict DPS checks. Even a midcore group will clear more quickly if they have a good party composition. Even if they can clear with anything, certain setups can make it harder or easier.

It's not all DPS too. A group that runs a white mage will have a harder time clearing the upper floors, but they should still be able to. Just it would be easier if they played something else.

[CKNovel]

People are way too obsessed with these numbers. Well here's my take:

1: Every job can clear but it doesn't mean you can not balance your game.
You could have SMN top DPS or ranged top DPS, melee behind, it wouldn't matter since "Everything can clear content"
Based on this whole argument you could make BLM last DPS if you wanted. Therefore it's null.

2: Reaper is easy, Samurai is easy, RDM is easy, DNC is pushing shiny buttons.
Job difficulty is irrelevant and SQEX said they wouldn't balanced on job difficulty.
Plus, believe me that it's extremely easy to outdps a physical ranged if you are on equal gear. I could outdps myself on my undergeared Samurai with no effort.

3: It's only fine seen from the outside, because it works. What's the point of buying a faster car that will get you to your destination in 2 days when you have 3 free days?
But now imagine the faster car also had extra feature like air conditionner or GPS? For the sake of simplicity, we'll say both cars are at the same price.
Considering those elements, what is the goal of designing the slower car with no feature? It's a design that can only fail.

4: MNK buff is 75 potency per minute. MCH is around 100 potency per minute.
Power of math is useful.

5: Then you want to balance around casuals that only run dungeons, use bio blaster on a single target? Skips cooldowns and sometimes even forgets their dots?
You'd have a terribly unbalanced game if you ever did that. Some job would be useless, others completely broken.

[Mieze]

5: Then you want to balance around casuals that only run dungeons, use bio blaster on a single target? Skips cooldowns and sometimes even forgets their dots?
You'd have a terribly unbalanced game if you ever did that. Some job would be useless, others completely broken.

God, what casual player hurt you recently? Just because someone is casual does not mean they're inept at their class.

[CKNovel]

God, what casual player hurt you recently? Just because someone is casual does not mean they're inept at their class.

It wasn't an agression, apologies if you or anyone else felt attacked.
I never said casual = bad.

The truth remains, some people don't understand their jobs because they lack specific informations.
I've seen Bio blaster used on single target because "It's a higher level ability, therefore it should be stronger".
I've seen people arguing that using flamethrower on a single target could net you 3 ticks, making it a 240 potency GCD.
Myself I was keeping big cooldowns for bosses when I started during HW.
I've seen Streamers discovering the existence of Tsubame-Gaeshi.
I've seen Streamers playing PLD, using FoF then right away entering magic phase.
When leveling AST, I don't bother looking at the card, I just throw them at DPS regardless of which they buff 3 or 6%. I don't want to learn AST, just leveling it.

Not everyone wants to learn their job perfectly, some people wants to just chill, some just wants to level.
You cannot balance the game around them as they often don't seek to fully exploit a job capabilities.