Dark Knight Megathread

[elioaiko]

Naive fool. DRKs have been doing this for 6 years? What makes you think anything will change after they've gutted the job and given 60% of their kit to other Tanks, removed Parry, can't be bothered to address BW and LD in any shape or form and have a perpetual raging boner for TBN. The devs are trying so hard to make it fluctuate between being a PLD and a Warrior that there is no identity left.

Best tank tho. Does the most damage. Masochism is your class identity at this point. Too much focus on 15 seconds of oGCD ham with no flow whatsoever.

ShB killed the job and EW killed it even more.

I remembered when people complained so hard about SB DRK only for the devs to straight copy and paste PLD and WAR onto DRK. Rip Dark Arts and since they've said that they won't be going back to HW design DRK will continue to be this way.

[RyuDragnier]

I remembered when people complained so hard about SB DRK only for the devs to straight copy and paste PLD and WAR onto DRK. Rip Dark Arts and since they've said that they won't be going back to HW design DRK will continue to be this way.

Yet they were perfectly fine with giving Sage Dark Arts in the form of Eukrasia.

[MagiusNecros]

I remembered when people complained so hard about SB DRK only for the devs to straight copy and paste PLD and WAR onto DRK. Rip Dark Arts and since they've said that they won't be going back to HW design DRK will continue to be this way.

Here lies Dark Knight.

June 23rd 2015 - June 20, 2017

Gone. Too. Soon.

They will rename the job to Rune Fencer eventually.

Such a shame.

Okay.
Like, go ahead and be disappointed, but there's a certain limit to what's healthy before I have to wonder why you're still here if you have so much pent up anger about it and venom towards the devs.

Is it healthy if you are optimistic for changes towards a job class that's been kicked in the face over and over again and you are still willing to hope for change? No better then dangling a carrot in front of a horse to keep it trodding along.

Edit: Wasn't going to mention Eukrasia but Eukrasia is literally Dark Arts yeah. Enjoyable even.

And reaper just gets to give everything a "Dark Arts Heavy Thrust debuff" to boost the potency of any attack for free. Forever at no cost. Feels good.

[Archwizard]

Is it healthy if you are optimistic for changes towards a job class that's been kicked in the face over and over again and you are still willing to hope for change?

It is that I'm not taking it personally and claiming they've "kicked us in the face over and over again", trying to make an argument that they owe us by comparing their actions to abuse?

It's not about "optimism" versus realism, because you've already gone past what is realistic.

[OdinelStarrei]

It is that I'm not taking it personally and claiming they've "kicked us in the face over and over again"?

It's not about "optimism" versus realism, because you've already gone past what is realistic.

Okay, fair point. Pulling it back a bit.

I would be more inclined to be amicable if they at least would open a line of communication. When interviews happen, DRK should be mentioned. During the live letter, DRK should probably be mentioned on air. With this amount of discontent, even if a lot of it is totally unwarranted, I think it would do a lot to relieve some of the pressure. It's true that I personally have taken the lack of action as a total disregard of the job, because anything else doesn't make much sense from a customer standpoint. If there's more to it, I'm more than willing to listen, but they have to talk first.

[Archwizard]

I would be more inclined to be amicable if they at least would open a line of communication. When interviews happen, DRK should be mentioned. During the live letter, DRK should probably be mentioned on air. With this amount of discontent, even if a lot of it is totally unwarranted, I think it would do a lot to relieve some of the pressure. It's true that I personally have taken the lack of action as a total disregard of the job, because anything else doesn't make much sense from a customer standpoint. If there's more to it, I'm more than willing to listen, but they have to talk first.

And that's valid, and all they can ask.

Evidently, they thought DRK was in a good place mechanically by the end of ShB, which is why they left it largely untouched for EW. If I had to guess, they probably thought the big tanking changes they were making would bring other on-demands up to the level of TBN, but either overshot, or overestimated TBN.

The way I see it, 6.1 will be their first chance to make big passes with the feedback they've received since Endwalker launched and the playerbase has gotten their hands on it. Dark Knight has been a hot button issue for both EN and JP forums, pretty much at the forefront of discussions for tanking and healing (aside from "WAR too stronk"), especially with them paying attention to feedback given by their new Sages... who universally agree DRK sucks to heal and that LD is just a Doom clock, by a massive margin next to other tanks who got glaringly massive improvements.

So, we wait for them to announce class changes in the live letter.

Except you are taking it personally. If it wasn't personal wouldn't you not move on with your day? Instead of arguing with salty players such as myself and the Dark Knight mob?

Cuz you're all kinda filling up a thread I was having otherwise constructive conversations in, and a huge stink would sidetrack that.

Half of you're bringing up here is something we've already been discussing. I just ain't mad that we didn't get it tonight, because I had zero expectation we would.

The other half, including the bit I quoted, is a lot of projection. I can't help ya with that.

[MagiusNecros]

It is that I'm not taking it personally and claiming they've "kicked us in the face over and over again"?

It's not about "optimism" versus realism, because you've already gone past what is realistic.

Except you are taking it personally. If it wasn't personal wouldn't you not move on with your day? Instead of arguing with salty players such as myself and the Dark Knight mob?

The reality is that DRK is a raid tank and is primarily about having the highest personal DPS and suffers from poor defensives which in the long term is poor tank design.

Mayhap it's better to just let disgruntled DRKs and Vanilla HW players have their moment?

To say nothing doesn't really help DRK. Being vocal gives DRK's an outlet even if it falls on deaf ears.

In the long term I only really see players shifting to the Axe, Gunblade or the Scythe in the long term.

If DRKs complain and foam at the mouth it isn't because we hate the Devs it's because they love the job and want what's best for the job. And revolving around TBN and a 15 second burst every 2 minutes ain't it chief.