Healers - Before we complain we should learn the game.

[_forgotten]

A class with a medium learning curve is not a good reason for "Remove X spell."

A role being really strong in non-endgame content is not a good reason to "Remove X capability."

Square has designed this game in such a manor that if you WANT challenging and engaging content, it is out there. Week 1 Savage is a BRUTAL experience where you need to play the game extremely well if you want to succeed. Ultimate encounters are very good tests of skill as well. Minimum ilvl exists for players who are chasing a challenge.

Alternatively, skill alone isnt meant to gate players from completing almost all the content. You do not need to play optimally to complete most content in this game.

Classes have different spells and capabilities. This is healthy class design. Some jobs will be better in some situations and others in different situations. But that doesn't change the fact that every job can do all the content. Every single class was represented in week 1 Pandaemonium Savage clears.

I could go on and on about individual aspects that I see gripes on here about, but truly they are being blown way out of proportion. All I see is a clear lack of understanding of the game and how it functions.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[EaMett]

At the risk of falling prey to a potential bait.

Week 1 savage on healer is still 90%+ attack gcd. Most of which is 1 button spam. But that's good design right. Right? RIGHT?

At least I had fun on SGE this time around (would've just shot myself if I stayed SCH). Even though I didn't think the tier was particularly fun itself. << It's the first tier so that's not entirely unexpected, they're always a little hit or miss.

Edit: Just going to put this out there, but it's generally the people that do the harder content that complain about the healers. I don't see that many people asking for the skill floor to be lowered.

[_forgotten]

No bait here sir. I agree that 1 button rotation is pretty... unfun. My glare finger was looking like quagmire's right arm on that one episode of family guy, after 2 years of pressing my glare key. I was almost pushed to the point of rebinding glare to a different key just to give my index finger a break! I would be happy if we got our HW dps kits back.

I am not trying to say that there isnt room for cretic and suggestion. But I am trying to say that crying because a warrior solo'd a normal fight that doesnt have an enrage is not helping us address real issues(such as the one you brought up). Crying about energy drain because one hasnt learned scholar is in poor taste.

[QooEr]

i mean week 1 savage lasts one week. my enjoyment of a role shouldnt be timegated, let alone by such a tiny time frame. by week 2 i already had pretty much nothing to heal in p2s and p3s already and i was doing everything with ogcds as usual.

the main gripe in the forums is that 111111 dps spam is boring awful class design. asking for tanks healing to be nerfed is a roundabout way of saying theyre bored cuz there's nothing to heal and the downtime is dull as hell (though tbh there would still be nothing to heal & lots of downtime even if they nerfed it, so i agree that complaint is foolish)

[EaMett]

I am not trying to say that there isnt room for cretic and suggestion. But I am trying to say that crying because a warrior solo'd a normal fight that doesnt have an enrage is not helping us address real issues(such as the one you brought up). Crying about energy drain because one hasnt learned scholar is in poor taste.

Gotcha!! I think people have been here championing the idea of a higher skill ceiling on healers for so long that they're just trying every approach in the book. From leveraging tank self-healing to offering up a variety of rework ideas. ED isn't in the best of states right now either and probably needs some kind of adjustment tbh.

[_forgotten]

i mean week 1 savage lasts one week. my enjoyment of a role shouldnt be timegated, let alone by such a tiny time frame. by week 2 i already had pretty much nothing to heal in p2s and p3s already and i was doing everything with ogcds as usual.

Yeah, this is something I struggle with too. Gear is a little too strong, or perhaps gear scaling. Lowkey the P4S heal check was the most fun I've had in 14 since I've started.

[RinaShinomiya]

Crying about energy drain because one hasnt learned scholar is in poor taste.

Energy Drain doesn't add any class complexity it's just a dump skill that doesn't force you to overheal or god forbid simply pressing the AF button while still having stacks. It always baffles me to see how many Scholars believe this button that punishes their main oGCD healing toolkit somehow makes the class more complex when in reality is just causes anti synergy. Which Scholar is plagued by.

Shadowflare used to give SCH complexity, you couldn't have it and Sacred Soil active at the same time so you needed to know when to use which. Since you'd be locked out of the other for 15s. This trade-off was especially true once SS got a regen effect. but by then Shadowflare was gone. Now neither SMN nor SCH have it. Miasma & Miasma 2 were removed from SCH persumably due to the debuff limit causing SMN grievances but now SMN doesn't have any DoT. And while it's true that reaching the limit with a party full of Summoners probably was easy, having a DoT orientated healer doesn't even come close since you always only have 2 at most, not 5. Despite this SCH did not receive Bio III or Miasma I, II or III this expansion. Because managing 2 dots is apparently too big brain for healers. Actual complexity is forbidden on healers according to the devs. ED exists because it isn't complex.

[Bsrking5]

I was almost pushed to the point of rebinding glare to a different key just to give my index finger a break!

Why stop there? Do one of the custom controllers and rebind it in weight lifting or something. Buff whm does one push up for every glare cast.

[_forgotten]

Energy Drain doesn't add any class complexity it's just a dump skill that doesn't force you to overheal or god forbid simply pressing the AF button while still having stacks. It always baffles me to see how many Scholars believe this button that punishes their main oGCD healing toolkit somehow makes the class more complex when in reality is just causes anti synergy. Which Scholar is plagued by.

So glad you brought this up. It actually does compel the scholar to figure out efficient healing. A scholar who never uses aetherflow to heal is not good. A scholar who uses aetherflow to only heal is also not good. Efficient healing, not just by yourself but with your cohealer is what makes ED shine to me.

And we are in agreement, bring back shadow flare.

[Shuuli]

All I want is more heal checks like we had in Shinryu (where we needed to heal the heads that were linked to people otherwise those people died) and then people suddenly wont complain no more Then you don't need to do role design change, just add some more work to healers in the content.