What happened to 8-man raids? Binding Coils was so elaborate compared to now..

[Jeeqbit]

The depth wasn't reduced in anyway, the trash was just pointless and got removed from the savage version in Heavensward, leaving only door bosses. Then door bosses along with trash in normal went too. We are obviously there for the boss so there was little point wasting our time. If there is trash or anything elaborate, it happens in a solo battle instance before we unlock it.

[Tlamila]

Na, Coils suck, a lot of useless fodder. Much better now.

[Saraide]

Trash fights in raids were removed and nothing of value was lost.

[Nuki]

Basically, yes, now the raids are basically a series of trials, and we can thank the raiders for that.

You are welcome it was an awfull design choice and most ppl are happy its gone.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Minus Panda, which I hope was just due to COVID complications and not a pattern, after Alex with Omega and Eden they moved that sort of thing to solo story instances between the tiers. I really liked that, since it works for those who didn't like trash mobs on reclears in the fights but didn't toss the idea out entirely.

What solo fighting instance did we have in Eden? I dont remember having one of those at all akin to omega.

[Rhus]

Yea they’re not raids now. Just longer trials. If they dumped them into trial roulette you wouldn’t know.

[IdowhatIwant]

While the trash in Coil was irrelevant and simply was AOE vendor, they tried to make the Alexander's trash interesting like mini-boss and ... people absolutely hate it.

Interesting is not enough.

Peopled hated it cause they couldn't clear faust which kept baddies out.

[DerpyWhiskers]

One of the largest complaints about most raids seems to be trash mobs. They're usually pointless encounters that don't really add much to the raid. Now, if they dropped something cool, people might be more inclined to do them, but usually they're just in the way of getting to the good stuff.

Heck, one of the biggest complaints I've heard from WoW players in about the trash in raids and not being able to jump into boss fights.

Was thinking about it and you might be on a good point. Didn't play WoW but came from ESO (a game remarkably similar to FF14) and the trash actually has some miniscule value there where it doesn't here. The raid or dungeon trash in ESO can also drop occasional loot, be used to rebuild buffs, regen stamina or magicka, gives exp and even sometimes drop a much sought-after piece of that locations' gear.

In FF14 they serve literally zero purpose whatsoever except "ok we gotta pause and kill these things before getting to anything useful". Some are pretty cool and I wouldn't like them all gone, some I think have funny or cool aspects, but they probably do detract from the experience of "eL1tE rAiD3Rrrrrzzz" people lol.

[Kandraxx]

TBH they could just scrap all this pseudo endgame PvE, bake some of the fights into the MSQ and allocate the free resources to side content, where the game really shines. First none of those “””raid””” fights is any fun, there is no build-up, no excitement, no atmosphere, you press a button and the screen goes black and next second there’s a boss in your face, where you learn a dance that is pieced together by seemingly randomized selection of the games “””mechanics””” (circle aoe, donut, line, stack, split, etc).

And the gear is pointless because there is no real (open) world in the sense of WoW to use it on and everything else is scaled, on top of it being only stat sticks where there is zero excitement or sentimental value involved. Honestly, I couldn’t care less if this thing is ilvl 590 or ilvl 600 with 5 stats more.

[Jeeqbit]

And the gear is pointless because there is no real (open) world in the sense of WoW to use it on and everything else is scaled, on top of it being only stat sticks where there is zero excitement or sentimental value involved. Honestly, I couldn’t care less if this thing is ilvl 590 or ilvl 600 with 5 stats more.

It's true that we get synced a lot and that you don't need anything beyond the crafted gear to do anything except Ultimates, which are not always released in every raid tier. But there is content to use it on - hunts, maps and certain fates that don't sync, max level raids, alliance raids and trials which don't sync and the latest few dungeons. You don't require raid gear for this content but it makes you feel good to go into that content with the high damage and health you have over the others in your party who don't do savage or to see how much faster you can kill things.