What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Kolsykol]

I dunno I thought it was incredible.

I feel kinda disillusioned with the '' mainstream '' where games like GoW and TLOU or even HZD are put up on a pedestal as '' the greats '' of game story-telling, if they were movies they'd be average at best and they try too hard to be '' artsy '' imo.
Ultimately they're incredibly beyond generic and indulge very heavily in extremely tired movie tropes ( the sad dad thing in particular ), to some extent EW did have the sad dad thing too but it was definitely not the same thing at all.
It's even a thing game directors will brag about how '' we're doing what movies do, wow look at us with our movie scripts and one cut ''.
It's the same with AoT which gets brought up too I have no clue why people act like it's revolutionary the same themes and story have been done to death.
I kinda feel like if something is sad and brooding + blood and gore with dramatic music with vocals going '' OOoAOOOOoAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAH '' and/ or a kid and parent people will treat it like art.

Same with female characters, all it takes is for them to be frumpy and modest and people will act like they're top tier best female character ever created and written.
I feel like people are extremely shallow about this and how they judge stories and characters ( I've seen this a lot with Aloy and Mikasa it's so transparent and often they'll even admit it ).

I still think that what Venat did was kinda messed up I don't think it's meant to be a 100% good thing but more of a necessary evil ( there's a lot of comparisons to God people can make too, and how religious people have to adress the question why suffering exists ).
I also don't think that everything needs to be grey, we've already had grey villains and heroes in FFXIV it's fine to have more straight forward stuff too and ultimately it's kinda necessary for a position to be taken in a game like this.
FFXIV could be said to be a bit of a soap opera too like the rest but I don't feel like it's so unapologetically generic about it at least.
I think EW was very bold and took very big risks that I honestly wasn't sure about at first but had a huge payoff, and I also appreciate that it made me cry for other reasons than just '' wow it's so sad '' I felt a lot of different emotions at the same time most of it was happy tears.

It's not for everyone nothing will be liked by everyone.
But damn does it deserve its praise so much more than the other big titles people put up on a pedestal.
Same goes for Anime too all it takes is good animation and wow best thing ever created apparently.

[KizuyaKatogami]

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I think the difference is, for me i’m not really a fan of GoW but i can tell when they put a lot of effort into its story or surroundings etc and that was something that was lacking for me in EW. It felt to me like they just wanted to rush it all out and were already tired of the expansion. The extreme pacing issues,plethora of dropped plot points,and theme contradictions seem to point this way very well.A lot of the time it felt like i was playing a slice of life anime game which…is kind of bad considering it’s supposed to be an expansion focused on a world shattering apocalypse. I also think 14 is pretty artsy and mainstream like those other games you mentioned. A large portion of the playerbase regards the game as perfect and best mmo story, best video game story period etc etc.

[Garet]

I dunno I thought it was incredible.

I feel kinda disillusioned with the '' mainstream '' where games like GoW and TLOU or even HZD are put up on a pedestal as '' the greats '' of game story-telling, if they were movies they'd be average at best and they try too hard to be '' artsy '' imo.
Ultimately they're incredibly beyond generic and indulge very heavily in extremely tired movie tropes ( the sad dad thing in particular ), to some extent EW did have the sad dad thing too but it was definitely not the same thing at all.
It's even a thing game directors will brag about how '' we're doing what movies do, wow look at us with our movie scripts and one cut ''.
It's the same with AoT which gets brought up too I have no clue why people act like it's revolutionary the same themes and story have been done to death.
I kinda feel like if something is sad and brooding + blood and gore with dramatic music with vocals going '' OOoAOOOOoAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAH '' and/ or a kid and parent people will treat it like art.

Same with female characters, all it takes is for them to be frumpy and modest and people will act like they're top tier best female character ever created and written.
I feel like people are extremely shallow about this and how they judge stories and characters ( I've seen this a lot with Aloy and Mikasa it's so transparent and often they'll even admit it ).

I still think that what Venat did was kinda messed up I don't think it's meant to be a 100% good thing but more of a necessary evil ( there's a lot of comparisons to God people can make too, and how religious people have to adress the question why suffering exists ).
I also don't think that everything needs to be grey, we've already had grey villains and heroes in FFXIV it's fine to have more straight forward stuff too and ultimately it's kinda necessary for a position to be taken in a game like this.
FFXIV could be said to be a bit of a soap opera too like the rest but I don't feel like it's so unapologetically generic about it at least.
I think EW was very bold and took very big risks that I honestly wasn't sure about at first but had a huge payoff, and I also appreciate that it made me cry for other reasons than just '' wow it's so sad '' I felt a lot of different emotions at the same time most of it was happy tears.

It's not for everyone nothing will be liked by everyone.
But damn does it deserve its praise so much more than the other big titles people put up on a pedestal.
Same goes for Anime too all it takes is good animation and wow best thing ever created apparently.

Watch Guin Saga, Record of Lodoss War, Berserk and Legend of Arslan. Very good animes. Wish they would update Record of Lodoss War to modern anime like they did with Legend of Arslan

[Rulakir]

Watch Guin Saga, Record of Lodoss War, Berserk and Legend of Arslan. Very good animes. Wish they would update Record of Lodoss War to modern anime like they did with Legend of Arslan

Oh man, I haven't seen anyone mention Legend of Arslan in years. I haven't seen the remake, but I loved the original. RG Veda was also fantastic, but unfortunately the anime was never completed.

[Garet]

Oh man, I haven't seen anyone mention Legend of Arslan in years. I haven't seen the remake, but I loved the original. RG Veda was also fantastic, but unfortunately the anime was never completed.

I still prefer the art and tone of the original Arslan but the remake did go a bit further than the original on the story I do hope that if they do a remake of the Record of Lodoss War that they do maintain the original character's tone and characteristic more faithfully.

Just for Nostalgia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohw1dkJYNMY

[Melorie]

I feel kinda disillusioned with the '' mainstream '' where games like GoW and TLOU or even HZD are put up on a pedestal as '' the greats '' of game story-telling, if they were movies they'd be average at best, and they try too hard to be '' artsy '' imo.

I mean, if you're really into narrative games, I don't think you would put these on a pedestal regardless. But I agree that if we're comparing these triple AAA games that get praised to oblivion, then yes, FFXIV storytelling is indeed better suited to my tastes (even though the anime tropes can get old fast).