Old content has become so easy that it is no longer fun

[Melorie]

I tend to agree. I don't see how a new player experience can be very appealing, especially if they have played other mmos. It's dreadful when you think about trials, which usually are a history-climax... Thordan is basically a bunch of glorified animations, the fight barely exists anymore.

Also, it doesn't really help that they keep doing expert dungeons easier than leveling dungeons as well, so I don't think that even expert roulettes help in that regard.

[Conundrum]

This is never going to become a "hard" game like the hardcore's want. Plenty of other epeen based MMOs out there. Well...their would be if they all didn't fail since most people aren't interested in that kind of game...no matter how much they overrepresent themselves on the forums.

And that's a good thing.

[Melorie]

This is never going to become a "hard" game like the hardcore's want. Plenty of other epeen based MMOs out there. Well...their would be if they all didn't fail since most people aren't interested in that kind of game...no matter how much they overrepresent themselves on the forums.

And that's a good thing.

Have you even read the thread? This has nothing to do with asking the game to be hard. There's a huge space between hard and brainless because of a power creep. People aren't asking for things to be harder, they are asking for them to not be even easier.

Asking to not fall asleep while doing roulettes isn't being a hardcore. It's called wanting to play the game and feel engaged by it, I'm not sure why so many people are often surprised by this concept.

[Mika_Zahard]

Imagine a sprout's disappointment with the leadup to ARR leading to Praetorium or the leadup to Heavensward leading to Thordan. Yeah, the older stuff needs to be moved from "free" to "easy."

The reason Thordan is "easy" is because of lazy people demanding to be carried with low effort.

If things right now are easy are due the playerbase, so it sounds like they have to lie in their bed now.

[Caurcas]

Thordan normal was always easy. Even when it was new.

[Mika_Zahard]

I didn't even know that mechanic was supposed to be a thing until just now...case in point, I guess.

You start to skip and avoid a lot of mechanics as your ILVL increases. The same thing happens in NieR raids of all places.


Hobbes, 9S, 2P and Red Girl take so long to kill that you see a lot of the mechanics that were only displayed when people were taking way too long.

So no, not case on point.

Thordan normal was always easy. Even when it was new.

You're not wrong, and thats the actual crime. They should have NEVER ever have to nerf it. Now Thordan is an actual pinata.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Oh no! Anyway...

[Mika_Zahard]

It's shocking here since you are forced to do it all. Imagine new player experience when the first slight challenge they get from the story starts in ShB dungeons/trials and everything else melts quick.

Wrong. The first challenge comes at Nabriales Trial. You should see all the misery that trial brings to people. Pair that with lazy healers and you have a recipe for disaster (specially attack LBs used before tear phase).

[YukikoKurosawa]

Wrong. The first challenge comes at Nabriales Trial. You should see all the misery that trial brings to people. Pair that with lazy healers and you have a recipe for disaster (specially attack LBs used before tear phase).

Speaking of which, I did that not that long ago. And yep, people are still wiping to it just like before. Only wiped once this time though, used to wipe 2+ times per Nabie run. Once the Great Nabie Filter is no more I will get concerned about content becoming too easy.

[Rhus]

Noticed this the other day in Doma castle roulette. Despite healer being new we blitzed it. Second boss barely done any mechanics. It managed one set of the explode lines and a tower mechanic before being killed. And the final boss doesn’t even get to do half his mechanics any more which sadly means I didn’t get to even hear him scream “die die die” “ we go together” bad times.