Clown outfit yet viera+hroth can't wear the NOSE? Are you serious right now?

[Rosenstrauch]

Oh yeah, I remember there were a number of issues early on with certain items turning hair or ears off, or failing to. Was there a list somewhere of all those instances?

There might be, but if there is I haven't seen it. I only know about the Hempen Coif having that issue because of a thread on Reddit pointing it out. That was well over a year ago, though.

[Bsrking5]

I feel like this is some running dev joke on the community now

[AnnRam]

Ps3 coof coof ps4 coff ughh.. ps5 limitations please understand and look forward to it on the next moogle shop update.

Almost 1 decade and SE never fixed hair clipping even on PAY CASH SETS and you think they will fix those issues with viera etc

[Iscah]

Ps3 coof coof ps4 coff ughh.. ps5 limitations please understand and look forward to it on the next moogle shop update.

I don't think it's anything to do with specific system limitations, but the fundamental design of how characters are assembled. Whatever trickery they had to do to implement their vision of Viera and Hrothgar, it involved sacrificing the ability to equip hats as normal – and judging from what does and doesn't work, specifically sacrificing the ability to split the hairstyle into upper and lower halves.

If it is something inextricably linked to the design, they may not be able to fix it at all, or not without altering some visible part of the character appearance.

If they can't overcome that specific issue and don't want to forcibly alter everyone's existing character to fix it, then for the time being until and unless (and if it's realistically possible for them to implement) a full rework of the character design system, this type of headwear may never be able to work at a technical level that no amount of "it's a special hat that everyone deserves equally" can overcome.

Maybe they'll find a solution to the hair issues and then we'll see a flood of hats working normally. But until we see at least one, any expectation of whether a hat works or not is entirely down to its design and not its origin.

[SturmChurro]

I think it's pretty obvious that they can make a hat usable if they really want to. The reason this clown hat isn't usable is presumably due to the shape of the hat. When it comes to viera/hrothgar headgear specifically, they seem to utilize a small amount of quality control.

Hat hair is also an issue, but at this point I think it's pretty ridiculous if they haven't made anything for viera/hrothgar, considering the low amount of hairs available. It seems to me to be majorly a matter of effort required, and arbitrary quality control. They said viera/hrothgar won't get hats, so they won't budge on that. Unfortunately, they continuously create event rewards that exclude a portion of playable races.

[Iscah]

I think it's pretty obvious that they can make a hat usable if they really want to.

The hat still first needs the hair to work properly underneath it, and if that's the actual origin of the problem, then they may not be able to make the hat work.

If it's about effort on the individual hat, they surely would have put that into the job gear and not coincidentally ignored every hat that needs to hide the upper hair while implementing the ones that hide it, and also making the Imperial ushankas work.

[SturmChurro]

The hat still first needs the hair to work properly underneath it, and if that's the actual origin of the problem, then they may not be able to make the hat work.

If it's about effort on the individual hat, they surely would have put that into the job gear and not coincidentally ignored every hat that needs to hide the upper hair while implementing the ones that hide it, and also making the Imperial ushankas work.

Yeah, I addressed this in an edit, after realizing I'd have to add further. As I stated prior, they have so few hairs, at this point it feels more like they are choosing just not to do it.

[LauraAdalena]

This was the thread that made me realize how numb I am to people complaining about this. Whether or not I agree aside, I’m just so numb to the disappointment/outrage/talk in general about it.

[Rosenstrauch]

If it's about effort on the individual hat, they surely would have put that into the job gear and not coincidentally ignored every hat that needs to hide the upper hair while implementing the ones that hide it, and also making the Imperial ushankas work.

Y'know, as much as it bothers me that they made the effort at all for the Reaper hat, that's probably why that specific one is visible on Viera while the rest... aren't. It does appear to completely hide the hair.

[Iscah]

Yeah, I addressed this in an edit, after realizing I'd have to add further context. As I stated prior, they have so few hairs, at this point it feels more like they are choosing just not to do it.

I don't think it's about the number of hairstyles they need to modify, though – more likely a base level thing that means any hairstyle will not work.

It could be some weird system like that the ear fur is programmed as the top half of the hair, or something like that.

All I have to go on is that they don't work the same as Miqo'te (where the inner ears are part of the body model) and that there was a quote somewhere from Yoshida that to let Viera use hats, their ears would have to be placed like Miqo'te ears.

Also that hairstyles built for other races need to be specially converted for Viera, suggesting that their hair possibly isn't "organised" in the same way even if the hair looks identical.

I don't have any ability to look at the models, so this is just speculation. But it's my best guess of what the issue might be based on what we have seen of where it works and where it doesn't.

That said, if it really is a permanent technical hurdle, I wish they'd come out and say so instead of leaving people asking every time. But it doesn't seem to be their way of handling things.