The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Eriane_Elis]

Why do you queue for alliance roulette? If you want to play a specific one then queue for that specifically. There are better and faster ways to earn tomes if that's your goal. There are faster ways to level if that's why you do it. People queue for the roulettes because they are braindead easy and you can watch something while playing. It's filler content with the convenience of tomes or leveling and nothing more. If you want to get a specific minion then you can queue for that directly or if you really like a specific raid then you can do that as well. For the 99% of us, we just don't care and do it because it's part of the chore and use the opportunity to gain something while watching a show. You can't have that convenience with higher level raids. And if you have to spend 3hrs going through your daily rouls, why would you want the last one in the list take ages because people keep dying? It becomes a nightmare chore. I would much rather queue for a 20min raid then an hour long one any day. The whole point of these dailies is to give people some level of incentive to repeat them for new players even though there are better ways to go about it. Except Trial roulette. That can be 3 minutes of fantastic XP or a 15 minute nightmare. Usually it's Titan, so really easy.

[RyuDragnier]

Why do you queue for alliance roulette? If you want to play a specific one then queue for that specifically. There are better and faster ways to earn tomes if that's your goal. There are faster ways to level if that's why you do it. People queue for the roulettes because they are braindead easy and you can watch something while playing. It's filler content with the convenience of tomes or leveling and nothing more. If you want to get a specific minion then you can queue for that directly or if you really like a specific raid then you can do that as well. For the 99% of us, we just don't care and do it because it's part of the chore and use the opportunity to gain something while watching a show. You can't have that convenience with higher level raids. And if you have to spend 3hrs going through your daily rouls, why would you want the last one in the list take ages because people keep dying? It becomes a nightmare chore. I would much rather queue for a 20min raid then an hour long one any day. The whole point of these dailies is to give people some level of incentive to repeat them for new players even though there are better ways to go about it. Except Trial roulette. That can be 3 minutes of fantastic XP or a 15 minute nightmare. Usually it's Titan, so really easy.

I'm going to quote yourself here, because this sounds like advice you need to take.

Why do you queue for alliance roulette? If you want to play a specific one then queue for that specifically. There are better and faster ways to earn tomes if that's your goal. There are faster ways to level if that's why you do it.

[Packetdancer]

Why do you queue for alliance roulette? If you want to play a specific one then queue for that specifically.

Because I enjoy some large-party content, and when I have time free I like to hurl myself into roulettes to ensure people trying to do new stuff for the first time have a sufficient party to do so. The latter is the same reason I run Mentor roulette; I could not care less about that mount (I think it's one of the ugliest in the game), but watching a sprout get their first clear of Ultima Weapon EX or Leviathan EX is a thing of pure joy. Watching people get to experience Orbonne for the first time? I like that.

I queue into roulettes because they will (hypothetically) put me where I am most needed. The fact that people still have to wait insanely long times for later alliance raids suggests that in this case of this specific roulette, that is not functioning as expected.

To quote your own advice... if you want to play a specific one -- i.e., Crystal Tower -- then queue for that specifically. I don't want to play a specific one (though I would appreciate some variety), but I do want the roulette to function such that people aren't stuck waiting in queue for 1+ hour to get Ridorana Lighthouse to pop when they're trying to run it for the first time.

[Atma]

Original post for reference as it's several pages back:
"How about adding an ilvl bonus? Rather than scaling down.
A serepate bonus exp value like the new player bonus, which scales with your ilvl when queuing.

Something like 1000 x (currrent ilvl) so an ilvl 90 player queuing into alliance roulette would get a 90,000 exp bonus, while an ilvl 500 player would get 500,000 bonus exp.
Maybe adding an exponent rather than a straight multiplication to create a larger divide.
Plus a tomestone bonus, you get 10 additional tomestones of Astronomy if your ilvl is 550 or higher, scaling up to 560, 570 ext with each patch."



This is not creating a 'Castrum Meridianum' situation at all. Castrum awards fewer tomes because it's the shorter option of the two raids in the roulette, and we're rewarded by time spent.

In this case, it doesn't matter if you get Crystal Tower or Orbonne Monastery, if you queued in at ilvl 500 you still get your 500,000 bonus exp.
But if you're the one choosing to game the system and lower your ilvl to ensure you get a CT raid, then you are forfeiting that bonus.
Moreover, this would more closely scale with the level of the job you're queuing in on. At level 50, a 100,000 exp bonus is more significant than at level 80. So if you're legitimately level 50 queuing for Alliance roulette, you will not be penalised. But if you're level 80+ queuing in at ilvl <100, then you are not getting as much as you could be, in return for gaming the system.

The suggestion put forth was to incentivise the positive, rather than penalise the negative which this does better than any other suggestions so far.

I acknowledged earlier I misread and calling this a 'CM problem v2.0" was an error, however you have not really solved any problem.

The behavior you have now incentivized is multi-people. I, as person who wants xp, put on my high level gear. My partner, who is capped and just wants tomes, now tanks their ilvl. We queue as a party, so their 'lowest common denominator' forces CT. Except now, you've provided me with EVEN MORE xp than I would have gotten cheesing this myself.

The only way this reduces the behavior is by making it require min 2 people instead of 1 to pull off, but you have made it equally lucrative for the tomes player, and more lucrative for the xp player. Plus, given the nature of AR Roulette, which is generally precipitated by "/fc hey anyone wanna do arr?" it's probably not going to change anything more than marginally.

The multiplayer element basically makes it nigh impossible to just incentivize this problem away without unintended consequences. They need to restrict access to the roulette in some capacity, or implement the best standing suggestion: as many including myself have offered, splitting off CT raids into their own thing and having an advanced alliance roulette for those of us who actually enjoy, and desire, randomized alliance raid content that extends beyond a choice of "A" or "B" and ignores C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K, and L. With real item restrictions and unlock requirements based on level of job you're trying to enter as.

[Kolaina]

It's a good idea, as the only ones who would complain and have problems with it are the ilvl cheaters.

No. Punitive action is terrible. Incentivize people by increasing the rewards for the higher tiered alliance raids due to time spent in them being longer. Increased experience even you yourself would benefit from.
Stop reacting with your feelings and use some logic. Enough with the anger and vengeance.
I hope you don’t own pets

[IdowhatIwant]

It's funny, you say that...yet you're against something that FIXES that complaint so it's never heard again, and doesn't effect anybody else. Nobody has complaints if you get CT due to somebody else queuing specifically for that. I'm perfectly fine getting Labyrinth, Syrcus, or WoD if somebody is new or needs it for a quest/relic grind. I'm not okay with getting it because somebody decided to ilvl cheese.

Cause your fix of basing it off level causes more issues than people item cheesing to get a dungeon.

[Baxcel]

Ah. Insults and aggression. The characteristics of “the good side” of a discussion

There is no good side to this.. your either a cheater who should be punished or someone who isn't cheating and just wants to play the game..

[Kolaina]

There is no good side to this.. your either a cheater who should be punished or someone who isn't cheating and just wants to play the game..

Or someone with mental health issues that thinks punishing people for not conforming is justifiable

[MitsukiLily]

Alliance raid is garbage, all the old fights are just hitting enemies for too long. The best one is syrcus because it's shortest

[Baxcel]

Or someone with mental health issues that thinks punishing people for not conforming is justifiable

This is a privately owned game.. you signed an agreement to follow the rules, to not cheat and to do as SE says in order for you to be playing the game.

You are cheating, breaking rules or whatever you wanna call it by bypassing the randomness of the roulette. If you can't "conform" to the rules of the game then you shouldn't be playing. Your a cheater and rule breaker and shouldn't be allowed to continue to do so.