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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    That wouldn't make any sense. Her action benefits us and she is not against us, so we have no reason to fight her as a villain.
    I do feel like I've explained why but I suppose I've not been clear enough. So here you go.

    Venat chose to take all of mankind's and Etheirys' future in her own hands, by herself. Her justification was a web spun to us by Square that we were forced to accept. You may have happily accepted it, I did not.

    Any mortal, regardless of how good, who openly states they alone will decide the future, is immediately a villain. I admit there are situations where such a statement would not burn a hole in my heart, but this was not one. We barely knew Venat as a mortal, barely knew any of them, and yet we put all of our trust in her.

    What if she had messed up? What if Zodiark somehow won? What if, what if. Who is she to decide the future of all things for generations to come? Why are we thus robbed of free will? Why were our parents, or our parents' parents, or so on and so forth robbed of their free will? She made the choice and we were forced to accept it.

    Had Venat, Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus all agreed upon a singular path, it would be different. Multiple minds as opposed to one. That's a more acceptable approach (Barely). But it didn't and Square forced us into accepting that.

    Make sense? You can believe and accept it if you want. There's nothing wrong with that considering it's the narrative. I won't though. Time travel and man-driven life-creation are huge no-nos in fantasy. Square broke both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stachiko View Post
    I do feel like I've explained why but I suppose I've not been clear enough. So here you go.

    Venat chose to take all of mankind's and Etheirys' future in her own hands, by herself. Her justification was a web spun to us by Square that we were forced to accept. You may have happily accepted it, I did not.

    Any mortal, regardless of how good, who openly states they alone will decide the future, is immediately a villain. I admit there are situations where such a statement would not burn a hole in my heart, but this was not one. We barely knew Venat as a mortal, barely knew any of them, and yet we put all of our trust in her.

    What if she had messed up? What if Zodiark somehow won? What if, what if. Who is she to decide the future of all things for generations to come? Why are we thus robbed of free will? Why were our parents, or our parents' parents, or so on and so forth robbed of their free will? She made the choice and we were forced to accept it.

    Had Venat, Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus all agreed upon a singular path, it would be different. Multiple minds as opposed to one. That's a more acceptable approach (Barely). But it didn't and Square forced us into accepting that.

    Make sense? You can believe and accept it if you want. There's nothing wrong with that considering it's the narrative. I won't though. Time travel and man-driven life-creation are huge no-nos in fantasy. Square broke both.
    I'm not treating someone as a villain on "what if" scenarios.

    And what you're basically saying is that the present is affected by the actions of the people of the past. That's not going to make me want to fight people older than me just because I may not disagree with their past action (and I don't disagree with Venat's actions) when they are our allies in the present (and in the past too in the case of Venat).

    Considering we started in the present, her actions ensure that our present remains where we know our place in the world and have a purpose.

    So, regardless of whether her past action is disagreeable, if Venat is to be a villain, it would have to be based on her actions in our present, not the past.
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