Ew Spoiler Content and Trigger warning on Quests

[Karatecatgrl]

They could literally put the trigger warning next to the Quest sync text or when it asks you about long cutscenes. Or even putting it in a system menu so it will auto skip it for us. That literally all we are really asking for.

It's not immersion breaking or even intrusive.

While some people might not like it or don't want change. Some of us are just asking for an Accomodation to cater to mental health the same way you would a physical disability...


The issue is that I won't know to skip it if I don't know or realize or recognize that it's going to happen until after it has.
All we want is a heads up or something to let us know.

And this is a sentiment that is shared across the forums. It's not just me asking for it. I'm advocating for it on behalf of myself, those who won't speak up and those who can stomach it and still want it anyway.

Snazzington, what you typed up is well said, but I guess we are going to agree to disagree.

[Vidu]

But then you will run into the other side of this coin: potential spoilers. Adding a trigger warning—and I’m guessing you will want a specific one of “T/W: depictions/reference of suicide”—would then lead to people getting mad about a major event being spoiled. So it’s kind of a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation from a developer perspective. People don’t want spoilers, but then also want T/W. I don’t know of a way to have both; not in a scenario like what you seem to wish for.

I have also lost someone to suicide. I actually posted about it on here. So I understand completely where you are coming from. I’m just thinking of this from a more neutral standpoint.

Seeing how there is information about which potentially sensitive topics are included in a game in the form of age ratings and descriptions provided by official, even though outside sources, I'd say it is already possible to have both - I'd go so far to say that we already have both.

Anyone who is concerned that a game (or movie or other form of media) might contain something that has the potential to trigger them, should have the responsibility to use those sources available to them to make sure it doesnt - just how you'd check those sources before giving a game to a child. The information is out there, its not even very well hidden - there is the triggerwarning that people are seeking. Anyone whos actually concerned about their mental health can and should look those things up before consuming any type of media - and not expect that the media itself will make such disclaimers.

FFXIV has a record of touching on darker subjects, so its not like this came out of the blue in a childrens game. Rating boards and things like PEGI exist for a reason - people should use those tools if they want to protect themselves from triggering content, while anyone who isnt (that) concerned about it can enjoy a spoiler-free experience. Best of both worlds, I'd say.

[Mholito]

I think a possible compromise between trigger warnings and spoiler mindfullness would be to make trigger warnings something you can enable or disable in the settings. With trigger warnings enabled, you would get a popup warning you about what's about to happen, so you can decide for yourself if you are gonna be fine to see it or not. With trigger warnings disabled, it would be exactly like it is now.

[Edweena]

I think this might be the wrong game for the kinds of entertainment / experiences you seek to engage with and avoid, but I do completely understand your desire to be warned and mindful about the content you are engaging with. There is no good solution for what may affect people from individual to individual, as many of these experiences are quite subjective to others (Fandaniel really resonated with me for example, where others despised him).
Gotta say please don't take to heart all that is being said by some others because the uh, vitriol is a bit concerning lol.

[StrykerGaming]

I'm triggered right now myself. Not because of the subject of this topic, but how and the manner to which I am forced to meet Zenos.

And the manner that it happened. I don't care what kind of Magitek contraption they have available. What happened should NOT be able to happen. Emet, neither Elidibus, nor Lahabrea could perform such a feat. Why? Because the WoL is protected from such actions, even with Hydaelyn's waning powers. To allow it so is nothing more than contrived writing to allow it to happen.

Blade & Soul did the exact same thing in chapters 8 and 9. Contrivances no matter how small do nothing but unravel the foundation of the story. In my opinion, 11 years of story concerning the WoL was undone by this single act by Fandaniel's "bovine excrement!"

One thing for sure, my 6 alts will never see the light of Endwalker and more than likely I will delete them. This should never have been done in the first place. As a writer and developer myself, this was the wrong track to take the story. Personally, it is all I can do to not to unsub and delete my account. I'm very angry about this and disappointed in YoshiP and his crew for doing so.

[Karatecatgrl]

I didn't say all were selfish, you inferred that.

What I was saying was I felt shiva's was heroic and Zeno's was selfish. There's nothing more to be said.

In any case a setting in the menus would very much help with these kinds of triggers.

[MellowMink]

Language that involves saying or implying that any victims of suicide went out with a selfish act is problematic; as someone who currently sees a psychiatrist for anxiety and also knew people who unfortunately killed themselves, I find that behavior in this thread to much be more offensive than a fantasy game not more immediately warning you of an upcoming suicide right before it happens despite that already happening in past expansions, involving major spoilers, and being talked about in content rating descriptions before you buy new content.

[HyoMinPark]

I didn't say all were selfish, you inferred that.

What I was saying was I felt shiva's was heroic and Zeno's was selfish. There's nothing more to be said.

In any case a setting in the menus would very much help with these kinds of triggers.

This doesn’t have anything to really do with the thread topic, but I think you’re misconstruing Ysayle’s/Shiva’s death. Did she go into it knowing she likely wouldn’t live? Highly possible. But I personally wouldn’t even classify that as a suicide. So, in my mind, what she did and what Zenos did aren’t even comparable.

That said, perhaps you should try to understand why people commit suicide in the first place. It is hardly ever because they are being selfish—and usually because they see no other way out of their suffering. I had a dear friend who chose to end his life a few years back, and it’s insulting to him and his memory for anyone to imply that he was being selfish with what he did. I can’t excuse it because I still can’t wrap my own head around the reasons why, but it’s no one’s place to call any suicide victim selfish.



On topic, I still stand by what I said in that trigger warnings aren’t needed. I welcome you to read the study I linked. And perhaps consider how they fail to do much to actually help people when it comes to healing. Teaching avoidance isn’t healing anything. It’s teaching you to hide.

[postingway]

Having a pop up similar to "several cutscenes will now play in a sequence" that instead say "several cutscenes will now play in a sequence and some of them may include triggering imagery" is not that immersion breaking or spoilery, and I think people's mental health is more important than something like spoilers in a video game story.

[Padudu]

How do you even get through the expacs at all lol