Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
On a slight tangent, what happens in the 8th Umbral Calamity timeline? If Azem dies prior to going back to Elpis, then the present 'time loop' doesn't exist. We were never there. Yet the events on Elpis and in Pandaemonium would have to be resolved somehow without our intervention. If G'raha's actions created a divergent timeline, is it possible then for two timelines to become convergent? What does it really mean for a 'conjunction' to begin to form?

I personally believe the writing team just didn't consider how G'raha's timeline would fit into all this. When he went back in time, nothing about the past he arrived at differed from his own other than him being artificially placed in it. His mere presence within our past caused our timeline to spiral in a different direction from his, and yet the events leading to that point were still primarily influenced by our visit to Elpis which IMO would've been impossible in his own time. The amount of coincidences necessary for events to go down almost exactly as they have in our timeline despite our sudden death preventing us from eventually going back in time ourselves in his is too much for me to handle and my suspension of disbelief has already been long shattered. I personally believe if our current history as we know it is dependent on us having gone back to Elpis, then the world he comes from should've been completely different from our own even before the 8th umbral calamity, but that doesn't seem to be the case as there's literal recorded history of our adventures up until the events of Stormblood in his time.