Where is all the content?

[Velnora]

It's got to be doing something right when content creators from another MMO who were visibly stressed out over that game come here and are suddenly happy and having a good time.

If it was just another pile of crap (even a least objectionable one), they wouldn't stick around. They'd be streaming other games since there are hundreds of games out there to choose from.

If you're not enjoying it, then you're not enjoying it. Everyone has different tastes. That doesn't make it a crappy game.

That's not what is said. It's a good game, that is rife with issues. But the player increase is greatly increased due to the fact there isn't many other good MMO's out there right now. I mean, the Green Bay Packers won their division, but their competition is the Vikings, Lions, and Da Bears.

[Mirhd]

Obviously it's an opinion. A non-argument? Lmao. It's just as much an opinion as your "FFXIV is the lesser of all evils". The irony of pushing your opinion as fact, while calling someone elses a "non-argument". Lay off the ego.

And no, I do not use deflection "A lot". Also, learn what disingenuous means.

You tend to, actually, yes. Also, throwing around the word "ego" when yours is one of the larger ones I've seen on this forum is a special brand of ridiculous. I'm well aware of what disingenuous means, and considering many of your posts seem like a bizzare mix of genuine belief and trolling, the word usage is correct.

My saying "FFXIV is hardly the lesser of all evils" also is hardly an opinion (or at the very least, not an isolated one), as there actually are games that are objectively worse... else they would be doing much better, or in the case of others would still exist. I'm sorry reality doesn't match what you tell yourself.

It's got to be doing something right when content creators from another MMO who were visibly stressed out over that game come here and are suddenly happy and having a good time.

If it was just another pile of crap (even a least objectionable one), they wouldn't stick around. They'd be streaming other games since there are hundreds of games out there to choose from.

If you're not enjoying it, then you're not enjoying it. Everyone has different tastes. That doesn't make it a crappy game.

This. I honestly don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp for some people. Gonna bow out here, since this poster has shown time and again elsewhere there's no point trying to discuss anything with them, and I'd rather not derail things further. They just want to "win", it seems.

[crimsonwitch]

Speaking of friends all of mine unironically abandoned this game for Classic Wow. My friends list is empty unless I want to roll up an Orc. And no offense to this games playerbase, but I'm not being showered with friendship opportunities. That is unless I abandon my ability to be honest and shill with them. Personally I can't stand this community.

i have no idea what to say about WOW as i've never played it, but i will agree that this game is not as social as it is hyped up to be. If you unsub, people won't talk to you anymore even on discord. I think gone are the days when people liked to make connections thru online games.

[Melorie]

The MMO market is crap right now. That doesn't mean this game's design and direction is the sole reason for it's growth.

There's also something quite particular about FFXIV that I don't see in other games. A lot of people that play it barely plays other MMOs, sometimes not even a lot of other games, I would say (at least in my experience). So while it has its qualities, I don't think that it's popularity is solely because of its MMO aspects and direction. It appeals to a greater variety of audiences. While I, of course, enjoy the game, the MMO aspect of it is probably some of the weakest aspects of it - at least for me.

Mind you, this doesn't mean that the game is bad per se (otherwise I wouldn't be playing it still if there was nothing here that is interesting), but I also feel like it's a very particular type of game. And if you come here with a more MMO-oriented mindset, you'll maybe feel a bit disappointed unless you stick till you find something that grabs you - this doesn't apply for everyone, of course.

[AnotherPerson]

i have no idea what to say about WOW as i've never played it, but i will agree that this game is not as social as it is hyped up to be. If you unsub, people won't talk to you anymore even on discord. I think gone are the days when people liked to make connections thru online games.

Uh, I think you might need to find better friends. I still keep in contact with people who long since stopped or are taking a break due to personal issues/work commitment.

[Ardeth]

i have no idea what to say about WOW as i've never played it, but i will agree that this game is not as social as it is hyped up to be. If you unsub, people won't talk to you anymore even on discord. I think gone are the days when people liked to make connections thru online games.

My biggest issue is having a different opinion seems to just seems ostracize me. If like so what I didn't like Endwalker as long as you don't ask me my honest opinion about it I'm not going to bring it up. But I joined a new FC and I spoke my mind and now I'm like the red headed step child. I did nothing to them outside of being honest and myself and now I'm struggling with just leaving the game entirely. I've tried this song and dance too many times. I just want friends who play the same game as me and are chill. I will literally stay subbed forever if I have a reason to login a family to come home to. But every FC either pushes into their discord to abandon the people who won't. To expect you to voice chat with total strangers in order to move up the social circle. What happened to "Anybody want to do roulettes?" Seriously I'm just tired of this song and dance. I've joined like 10 FCs last year and even this new one is a dud. I just want other people who want to play with me. It's so frustrating.

[Velnora]

You tend to, actually, yes. Also, throwing around the word "ego" when yours is one of the larger ones I've seen on this forum is a special brand of ridiculous. I'm well aware of what disingenuous means, and considering many of your posts seem like a bizzare mix of genuine belief and trolling, the word usage is correct.

My saying "FFXIV is hardly the lesser of all evils" also is hardly an opinion (or at the very least, not an isolated one), as there actually are games that are objectively worse... else they would be doing much better, or in the case of others would still exist. I'm sorry reality doesn't match what you tell yourself.



This. I honestly don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp for some people. Gonna bow out here, since this poster has shown time and again elsewhere there's no point trying to discuss anything with them, and I'd rather not derail things further. They just want to "win", it seems.

Hypocrisy is your strong suit it seems. These are forums. People are allowed to discuss things whether you agree or not. "My saying "FFXIV is hardly the lesser of all evils" also is hardly an opinion, as there actually games that are objectively worse". Way to contradict yourself. Unless you aren't filtering your critique of the game through your own personal emotion, then yes, it's an opinion. Instead of attempting to throw vague insults, by referencing other threads that have no bearing in this one, try attacking the argument.

[Melorie]

i have no idea what to say about WOW as i've never played it, but i will agree that this game is not as social as it is hyped up to be. If you unsub, people won't talk to you anymore even on discord. I think gone are the days when people liked to make connections thru online games.

Eh, although I still find the social aspect of this game kinda bad, I have found the weirdest, craziest, most passive-aggressive and head-in-the-sand people and most amazing people I have *ever* meet here. So I would say that at some point you have to keep searching till you vibe with a certain group, not unlike other social activities. I've found a lot of pettiness, weird drama, people that think they're edgy anime protagonists and overly-sensitive snowflakes... But, as with every community, there's cool people out there too. Usually the most controversial ones are very loud but that doesn't mean that's all there is.

I just want other people who want to play with me. It's so frustrating.

I would advise searching for big FCs that have something you identify with and also have new blood, so you're not stuck with people that log in just to AFK in limsa. And, as always, make an effort to talk in the chat.

[Ardeth]

Eh, although I still find the social aspect of this game kinda bad, I have found the weirdest, craziest, most passive-aggressive and head-in-the-sand people and most amazing people I have *ever* meet here. So I would say that at some point you have to keep searching till you vibe with a certain group, not unlike other social activities. I've found a lot of pettiness, weird drama, people that think they're edgy anime protagonists and overly-sensitive snowflakes... But, as with every community, there's cool people out there too. Usually the most controversial ones are very loud but that doesn't mean that's all there is.

I agree with you. I'm just tired of running into those players EVERYWHERE. It's like I'm a casual I just want to chill. "Hey have you ever tired Savage?" It's like a girl getting pressured into sex. It's like feel me out before you ask into the no. And don't ostracize me because I said no. It's horrendous. I play on one of the worst servers for progression for a reason. I don't want to do it. Anyway I'm ranting.

[Melorie]

I agree with you. I'm just tired of running into those players EVERYWHERE. It's like I'm a casual I just want to chill. "Hey have you ever tired Savage?" It's like a girl getting pressured into sex. It's like feel me out before you ask into the no. And don't ostracize me because I said no. It's horrendous. I play on one of the worst servers for progression for a reason. I don't want to do it. Anyway I'm ranting.

I found this surprising tbh. Most of the players I know hardly ask for savage. Many of them are actually casual to a fault and got inside the second life hellhole too deep for my tastes (at this point i'm not even sure if the second life crowd is casual since they play this game even more than these that try hard content... but whatever) - dealing with these people really burned my patience and created a terrible vision of this game's community in my mind. If anything, most raiders tend to be more down-to-earth. But it doesn't help that everywhere there's people telling you how nice everyone is, and you kinda feel like you're actually going crazy for not feeling that.
Taking a huge break from FFXIV actually helped me in that regard. I don't blame you for feeling this way though, it's not easy to find a group you might feel comfy with - but these people are hard to come by in other aspects of life as well.