Could we have "tails" disabled on armor with capes? AT LEAST for the new PLD set?

[frostmagemari]

No half measures. No compromises. No "well what if..". Just no.

If they're not going to make gear that accommodates a major part of a player character race (ie. tucking capes to the side, etc), they should do is make a dummy tail that exists under the cape. I know this is within their ability to do, and its a minor thing. And yes, i remember the Evenstar coat, but i fully believe that the team has the capability to do something better going forward.
As for hats, ear holes or socks or just let them clip and let people decide if they wanna keep their hat on if it looks too janky.

[Kolsykol]

No half measures. No compromises. No "well what if..". Just no.

If they're not going to make gear that accommodates a major part of a player character race (ie. tucking capes to the side, etc), they should do is make a dummy tail that exists under the cape. I know this is within their ability to do, and its a minor thing. And yes, i remember the Evenstar coat, but i fully believe that the team has the capability to do something better going forward.
As for hats, ear holes or socks or just let them clip and let people decide if they wanna keep their hat on if it looks too janky.

Capes to the side would look kinda weird, the tail should simply be tucked inside the armor or the cape shouldn't exist on them altogether.
Why would you wear a cape as Miqo'te or Au'ra altogether if you were going to have your tail out? It'd be a constant annoyance.

[frostmagemari]

Capes to the side would look kinda weird, the tail should simply be tucked inside the armor or the cape shouldn't exist on them altogether.
Why would you wear a cape as Miqo'te or Au'ra altogether if you were going to have your tail out? It'd be a constant annoyance.

Not really interested in arguing the why; the point is they're making armour with capes, tailed races wear those armours and get their tails chopped off (at least as of endwalker). The armour needs to accomodate the fact that player character races have tails on those races or they need to come up with a way to display the tail under the cape without clipping (if that's their big hang-up for cutting them off).
Hats as of Shadowbringer already have a tendency to chop off ears, and now capes are chopping off tails. If i wanted to play a Hyur, i would.

[Kolsykol]

Not really interested in arguing the why; the point is they're making armour with capes, tailed races wear those armours and get their tails chopped off (at least as of endwalker). The armour needs to accomodate the fact that player character races have tails on those races or they need to come up with a way to display the tail under the cape without clipping (if that's their big hang-up for cutting them off).
Hats as of Shadowbringer already have a tendency to chop off ears, and now capes are chopping off tails. If i wanted to play a Hyur, i would.

They could still be tucked inside the armor and they wouldn't be chopped off.
I typically don't wear helmets that covers the whole face/ head but I am pretty sure there's loads of helmets Elezen can wear that doesn't make it obvious that they have elf ears.
The ears would simply be flattened inside the helmet it'd probably be rly uncomfortable but they're not rly chopped off, you can think of the tails the same way.

If they need to be out they could lower them I guess ( make them less '' erect '' lol ) so they're actually under the cape still but more just hanging there and not protruding out so much.
There's some cases that are rly dumb tho like the Omega gear the Scouting gear actually has a metal tail built into them but it doesn't rly change how the tail is it kinda looks bad imo.
On the Casting one the part on the back is already split in two you can see it if you look closely they could've opened it up more to make space for a tail by just widening the gap on tailed races.

[frostmagemari]

They could still be tucked inside the armor and they wouldn't be chopped off.
I typically don't wear helmets that covers the whole face/ head but I am pretty sure there's loads of helmets Elezen can wear that doesn't make it obvious that they have elf ears.
The ears would simply be flattened inside the helmet it'd probably be rly uncomfortable but they're not rly chopped off, you can think of the tails the same way.

If you go back to ARR and up until about later Stormblood (i could be mistaken); tails and ears (even Elezen's) were accommodated at best and allowed to clip through at worse. At the very least during Shadowbringers began cost cutting (or time saving) by having hats turn off racial features.
Now they're doing it in Endwalker, and given the fact that the job gear at level 89 accommodates racial features and the moonmoon gear at 90 decides to clip said racial features off, i'd say that this is a choice they're making rather than it being necessity.

We should not be making excuses for Square-Enix (The multi-billion dollar company, if you forgot) as to why their cost and/or time cutting measures 'work'.
And, just because you seem to be really obsessing about this.. tucking what would essentially be an extension of one's spine into the pantleg of their armour would only not work, but i imagine excruciatingly painful.

[Iscah]

Are tails and ears not important to protect then?
How long would they last if you didn't?
If I had a tail I would rather deal with the discomfort of binding it down and having it inside the armor than having it out, it's part of your body just swinging around there on the outside.
Same thing honestly with horns too the horns are attached to the body if you hit them with a weapon it's going to deal damage to their heads and perhaps even kill.

A tail has bones in it. You can't just bind it down flat; it has to be able to lie somewhere comfortably. I imagine you would at least need to pass it forward between your legs and then... where? Back around a hip? Up to the stomach? Any which way it went, it would hamper movement and probably hurt the tail as well. And that's for the relatively flexible Miqo'te – Au Ra tails with their scale plating are both naturally armoured and likely to be stiff. They still move, of course, but there's probably a limit to how tightly they can curl up.

I am undecided about the idea of sometimes hiding them with capes and pretending that they are just hidden by the cape, because I haven't seen it in motion yet, but you can't say that it could really work like that.

(More sets with armour over the tail would be nice though.)

As for horns, yes the helmets should probably be armoured to cover the ears, but since they aren't, it's not as if you can hide them.

tucking what would essentially be an extension of one's spine into the pantleg of their armour would only not work, but i imagine excruciatingly painful.

This.

[Apopopo]

We should not be making excuses for Square-Enix (The multi-billion dollar company, if you forgot) as to why their cost and/or time cutting measures 'work'.
And, just because you seem to be really obsessing about this.. tucking what would essentially be an extension of one's spine into the pantleg of their armour would only not work, but i imagine excruciatingly painful.

nooo but my wholesome chungus game devs cant be wrong

I agree with this though, it's blatantly obnoxious at the double-standards they create. The fact that the new gear doesn't even work with Viera half the time is a blatant spit in the face. It's laziness, they have all the money in the world to make these things happen, but they choose not to, because it'd harm the bottom line, and because players don't create enough of a humbug about it.

[Iscah]

The fact that the new gear doesn't even work with Viera half the time is a blatant spit in the face. It's laziness, they have all the money in the world to make these things happen, but they choose not to, because it'd harm the bottom line, and because players don't create enough of a humbug about it.

While it's entirely speculative, I have to wonder if they created Viera ears (and more specifically gave players a choice in the shape of Viera ears) by repurposing the "top half and bottom half" of the hair so normal hats that hide the top half of the hairstyle on other races instead make the ears vanish or something weird like that. That's the only logical reason I can think of as to why they haven't been able to make any "top half covering" hats work but they can make full-head covering hats work.

If it was about "laziness" and/or work load, I would think that they would prioritise all relic hats over a mishmash of a few dungeon things and some relics but not others.

[frostmagemari]

nooo but my wholesome chungus game devs cant be wrong
I agree with this though, it's blatantly obnoxious at the double-standards they create. The fact that the new gear doesn't even work with Viera half the time is a blatant spit in the face. It's laziness, they have all the money in the world to make these things happen, but they choose not to, because it'd harm the bottom line, and because players don't create enough of a humbug about it.

I don't think the dev team is lazy; I think they do a lot of good work considering how SQEX has a thirty year history of mismanagement, ever since they were just Squaresoft. The fact that Yoshida and his team have made something good within a company that has had as many bankruptcy scares in as many decades that it existed is amazing really. I do feel like there was a lot of "get it done, even if its sloppy" in the past though; and that kind of thing comes back to bite a team since they always run into limitations. I think they could make a lot of the issues they have go away if they could get clearance to go back and fix things.

My big thing is that I really wish that was more of a "this needs fixing" sentiment, over a "they tried their best" that i see spread around. Sure, observational bias and all that, but stuff like this, there needs to be a "no, we won't accept this action" for some development decisions.

[GrizzlyTank]

Capes to the side would look kinda weird, the tail should simply be tucked inside the armor or the cape shouldn't exist on them altogether.
Why would you wear a cape as Miqo'te or Au'ra altogether if you were going to have your tail out? It'd be a constant annoyance.

Funny enough, the game have had plenty of capes that have been hanging on the sides thus not clipping with the tails, until recently.