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  1. #11
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    EaMett's Avatar
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    Ea Sin
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    I think it works like this because Sage's shields are tied to a resource with Toxicon and Scholar's aren't. Granted, I don't think this is a good justification for why a Sage should be able to overwrite more powerful shields, but I think it at least makes sense why it's happening if it's the case.
    IMO, let Sage's single target overwrite a Scholar shield but make it where Sage's AoE shielding can't overwrite more powerful shields and that's a fair compromise if this was the intended thinking.
    Kinda this. E.diagnosis overwriting is normal (always has worked like that) and I'm of the mind that it's desired and IS a good justification. E.Prognosis doing the same isn't ideal but also not a huge drawback. The game never really sets you in a setting where overwriting higher shields is an issue anyways. Hell, there are only a handful of places where you actually need shields at all. At min ilvl might I add. And in those few places, you'd be expected to communicate with your cohealer anyways.
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  2. #12
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    Scardrak Voljayton
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    Goblin
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    Dancer Lv 80
    I just started leveling my sage the other day. While doing an alliance roulette I noticed my shields were overwriting a scholars. I ended up apologizing to the scholar because it would happen so many times on accident. He said he didn't even notice but I did. It actually made me feel bad for using my shields. I hate the term "bad design" but it really felt bad...as in it shouldn't be this way. There's got to be a better way to handle this.
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  3. #13
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    For me as a Scholar, I just entirely forgo any kind of gcd barriers (including Deployment which is painful) if I’m paired with a Sage. I mean, you shouldn’t be using them anyway because it’s a 300p dps loss
    E Prog is a 330 potency loss. If you're paired with a Sage and the group needs a GCD heal, you're on Succor duty.
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  4. #14
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    This is buggy behavior. It's also a bug that's been around for a long time, and Square doesn't seem keen on fixing it.

    That being said, GCD shields shouldn't stack for a multitude of reasons. They block application of a lot of debuffs. eHP is a much more powerful effect than a regen that can't take you over max, etc. etc. The barrier healers already have a crapload of damage and utility and are both meta, but that's never enough.
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  5. #15
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    E Prog is a 330 potency loss. If you're paired with a Sage and the group needs a GCD heal, you're on Succor duty.
    You mean ET > Succor or Indom?
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  6. #16
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    Kabz Il
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    Spriggan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    This is buggy behavior. It's also a bug that's been around for a long time, and Square doesn't seem keen on fixing it.

    That being said, GCD shields shouldn't stack for a multitude of reasons. They block application of a lot of debuffs. eHP is a much more powerful effect than a regen that can't take you over max, etc. etc. The barrier healers already have a crapload of damage and utility and are both meta, but that's never enough.
    Girl, nobody said they want them to stack. Chill out. They said a smaller shield shouldn't overwrite a bigger one.
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  7. #17
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Maybe I’m wrong but can’t White Mage and Astrologian stack their regens? It seems a little unfair that barrier healers have to deal with barrier overwriting but pure healers face no such repercussions when stacked. And I mean Astrologian can produce it’s own powerful barriers anyway so they basically get the best of both
    Nobody said they should stack did they?
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  8. #18
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Nobody said they should stack did they?
    I was talking about the developers decisions not the players. They don’t seem to have thought the barrier/pure healer split through very well
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  9. #19
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    Pocket Prince
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 57
    Yeah as a SCH with a SGE co-healer I try to avoid shielding at all costs, just focusing on my fairy heals and OGCDs. If I do need to heal for a raid wide it's much easier for me as a SCH to Emergency Tactics a Succor than for a SGE to apply a shield and then Pepsi it.

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  10. #20
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    You mean ET > Succor or Indom?
    It means that IF someone has to GCD heal, the duty falls to the healer with less personal DPS - which would be SCH.... so good old Succor
    There are exceptions, e.g. heavy movement phases that need additional GCD shields for safety but SCH can't SC it, so EProg it is or other healer is very low on MP. But in general: less dps loss per GCD = GCD heal duty, enjoy.
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