Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[Merrigan]

It was in game from 2013, like, cmon. Stop making WoW people out to be villains

"To be clear: I have played WOW. I know for a fact that there are a lot of lovely people in it. I also know that the wall-to-wall pull is not new to FF."

Please read.

[Ashpd]

"To be clear: I have played WOW. I know for a fact that there are a lot of lovely people in it. I also know that the wall-to-wall pull is not new to FF."

Please read.

Without being as absolute as the author, I also feel that the community has changed a bit since the WOW community arrived. -

ReRead Your words. I'm about everything you said in post. Leavers, not greeting in dungeon (mean cmon, useless thing, just enter and go).

[Merrigan]

ReRead Your words. I'm about everything you said in post. Leavers, not greeting in dungeon (mean cmon, useless thing, just enter and go).

Sigh.

To rephrase my post (since you seem to be oddly offended by a question that was originally totally open-ended): I have noticed a change in player behavior. Considering that we've had a recent influx of community from a game with very different habits, there's a chance that it's related.

So I was asking, without any ulterior motive, if other people have experienced these same changes.

You also seem to be confusing an attack on the people playing a game with the habits one develops in a community. Saying that WOW players are more likely to leave, for example, doesn't mean that they are assholes: it's just more accepted behavior in that game.

Please stop raising your voice whenever this type of topic is brought up - all without trying to understand the tone of the post or its intent.

[Driavna]

"To be clear: I have played WOW. I know for a fact that there are a lot of lovely people in it. I also know that the wall-to-wall pull is not new to FF."

Please read.

Been playing since ARR (but only sticking around after HW) and FF14 has always been like you describe. Also been playing MMO's since UO/Everquest and certain behaviours were always there (the level of toxicity UO had before they finally did Felucca/Tremmel was something else), just happens that in older games you needed to socialise instead of having those very convenient DF/PF tools.

IMO MMO's are more social than ever, thanks to so many programs and platforms, but are not that apparent and usually isolated within their own communities.

Anyway, randoms are going to be random so if you are looking for certain type of experience is better to stick to players that share your ideas. Will be blunt: this is a "you" problem and no one else's (and by this I mean wanting a random to behave in a certain way). Online experiences are way more tamed and sanitized today's than before.

[Merrigan]

Been playing since ARR (but only sticking around after HW) and FF14 has always been like you describe. Also been playing MMO's since UO/Everquest and certain behaviours were always there (the level of toxicity UO had before they finally did Felucca/Tremmel was something else), just happens that in older games you needed to socialise instead of having those very convenient DF/PF tools.

IMO MMO's are more social than ever, thanks to so many programs and platforms, but are not that apparent and usually isolated within their own communities.

Anyway, randoms are going to be random so if you are looking for certain type of experience is better to stick to players that share your ideas. Will be blunt: this is a "you" problem and no one else's (and by this I mean wanting a random to behave in a certain way). Online experiences are way more tamed and sanitized today's than before.

Ok. That's... actually really weird, 'cause I'm not lying when saying I had a great community experience in Shadowbringer - whithout leavers, full of patient players, and so on. It was almost as good as LOTRO, which is without any doubt the best community I ever experienced in a MMORPG.

Luck of the beginner, I guess.