VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[SherlottaEryut]

Update: potential inspiration for developers.



I found this photo on HeyMcfly's forum post. They have a megathread on hairstyles and I just love this photo - SquareEnix could really gather so much inspiration from their thread.

Mjrn's hairstyle from XII would be easy to bring in due to no threat of clipping. I guess Jote's one is like a Viera hairstyle we have now only much less puffier.

[Quintessa]

Update: potential inspiration for developers.



I found this photo on HeyMcfly's forum post. They have a megathread on hairstyles and I just love this photo - SquareEnix could really gather so much inspiration from their thread.

Mjrn's hairstyle from XII would be easy to bring in due to no threat of clipping. I guess Jote's one is like a Viera hairstyle we have now only much less puffier.

The upper left one and the bottom left is something I could see myself rolling with.

[LuciaMirain]

Update: potential inspiration for developers.



I found this photo on HeyMcfly's forum post. They have a megathread on hairstyles and I just love this photo - SquareEnix could really gather so much inspiration from their thread.

Mjrn's hairstyle from XII would be easy to bring in due to no threat of clipping. I guess Jote's one is like a Viera hairstyle we have now only much less puffier.

Mjrn's hairstyle would be gold. I dislike how 2B hairstyle, which is a bob, looks because (besides the awful hairbandbutchering) you can't see the face of the character. It sits like a helmet a bit. I just want some softer hairstyles, some waves. With that said, I don't think they will bring in more raceexclusive hairstyles. as someone else said it is probably easier to adapt existing hairstyles than make new ones, even with inspiration.

[SherlottaEryut]

Realistically, I feel like bringing all the aesthetician hairstyles to viera is a more reasonable ask than completely new styles that could only be used on one race and one gender. Just my feeling on the matter.

I just want some softer hairstyles, some waves. With that said, I don't think they will bring in more raceexclusive hairstyles. as someone else said it is probably easier to adapt existing hairstyles than make new ones, even with inspiration.

The ideal situation in my opinion is; Viera need to have a pro and con, the pro being we get all the unlockable styles in the game as well as more race-exclusive hairstyles on top of that, but the con being we still can't wear majority of helmets and hats. The new race-exclusive hairstyle would be a compensation for lack of headgear. And considering SE are even in this expansion keeping headgear from us, my theory is this was SE's original plan... Not sure if it's still the case though.

If the other races got access to the new exclusive viera hair, it would be unfair on us and would result in Viera being a 'con-con' situation, as in very limited headgear and nothing to compensate for it. So, we would still be suffering from the whole "Viera still have almost no headgear" situation while the other races get everything we have.

I'll also add another bit to my comment. The issue is, SE have already said that that their plan is to give Viera more exclusive hairstyles in 2019, but they haven't said since if its still their plan or not. Going back on their word without a new plan to make up for the limitations is unprofessional, especially considering how much profit they made from people using fantasias to switch from Viera to another race and vice a versa. I do not believe for one second that SE would publicly announce a plan on V/H and then scrap it for the sake of "they can just stay a limited race." It doesn't sit right with me.

The Hrothgar and Viera players do not deserve to stay a limited race. The only way I would deem this fair is if SE somehow managed to fix the achievement hats as well as the job hats to our character. Obviously, if they're not doing that with majority of hats in EW then I expect them to continue with their word and give the races something that makes them more appealing/worth sticking out. Otherwise, what is the genuine point of playing as Viera other than for the appearance? The lack of hats is a major downside and we still don't know if all the modern aesthetics will work on us.

[LuciaMirain]

I'll also add another bit to my comment. The issue is, SE have already said that that their plan is to give Viera more exclusive hairstyles in 2019, but they haven't said since if its still their plan or not. Going back on their word without a new plan to make up for the limitations is unprofessional, especially considering how much profit they made from people using fantasias to switch from Viera to another race and vice a versa. I do not believe for one second that SE would publicly announce a plan on V/H and then scrap it for the sake of "they can just stay a limited race." It doesn't sit right with me.

The Hrothgar and Viera players do not deserve to stay a limited race. The only way I would deem this fair is if SE somehow managed to fix the achievement hats as well as the job hats to our character. Obviously, if they're not doing that with majority of hats in EW then I expect them to continue with their word and give the races something that makes them more appealing/worth sticking out. Otherwise, what is the genuine point of playing as Viera other than for the appearance? The lack of hats is a major downside and we still don't know if all the modern aesthetics will work on us.

They can continue with the pandemic excuse of limited resources for a long time. If you look at what came out in EW alot of it was just reskins of already existing gear, for instance. I imagine that for now anything "new" will be limited since it requires more resources. Is it right? No, ofcourse not. We deserve better. But 6 hairstyles after 2 years, and specifically THOSE hairstyles, say alot. I am curious what 6.1 brings, since it is supposed to be an update for hrothgar. I hope viera also get an update then.

[SherlottaEryut]

They can continue with the pandemic excuse of limited resources for a long time. If you look at what came out in EW alot of it was just reskins of already existing gear, for instance. I imagine that for now anything "new" will be limited since it requires more resources. Is it right? No, ofcourse not. We deserve better. But 6 hairstyles after 2 years, and specifically THOSE hairstyles, say alot. I am curious what 6.1 brings, since it is supposed to be an update for hrothgar. I hope viera also get an update then.

Unpopular opinion, but it also doesn't help that they spent a considerable amount of time creating male Viera, instead of fixing the issues with female Viera and male Hrothgar. There was no urgency for male Viera, we could have waited 2+ years without them. SE can hide behind the "its a pandemic" excuse but it's long worn out because it's evident they prioritised a races' gender counterpart instead of working on the ones we already have. I'm curious what 6.1 will bring us, but if SE manage to fix Hrothgars ridiculous 'fantasia to change haircut' issue then that'll at least gain them some credit for actually trying to make our situation better.

[HeyMcFly]

Unpopular opinion, but it also doesn't help that they spent a considerable amount of time creating male Viera, instead of fixing the issues with female Viera and male Hrothgar. There was no urgency for male Viera, we could have waited 2+ years without them. SE can hide behind the "its a pandemic" excuse but it's long worn out because it's evident they prioritised a races' gender counterpart instead of working on the ones we already have. I'm curious what 6.1 will bring us, but if SE manage to fix Hrothgars ridiculous 'fantasia to change haircut' issue then that'll at least gain them some credit for actually trying to make our situation better.

It shouldn't be an unpopular opinion, because it is an accurate point
The time making male viera should have been put into fixing & adding Viera specific hairstyles to female viera- then releasing male viera much later- there is no downside to have a race pushed back because that could give the designers more time to add better features

My "unpopular" opinion is Hrothgar should have been released in place of male viera so that female viera & male hrothgar looked more complete & would lack alot of the issues they currently have since they appear to be rushed. (and now, clearly ignored)

Since ShB I've always said "Why didn't they just focus on one race 1st?"

[SherlottaEryut]

The time making male viera should have been put into fixing & adding Viera specific hairstyles to female viera- then releasing male viera much later- there is no downside to have a race pushed back because that could give the designers more time to add better features
Since ShB I've always said "Why didn't they just focus on one race 1st?"

I agree with this so much. The only reason we're in this situation now is because of the public demand. When F/V and M/H were introduced there was a massive outcry on how gender locking races is the most ludicrous thing in the world and needed to be fixed asap, there were forum posts and even articles online about it. I don't think anyone ever took into account just how much time was required to create new characters, and they definitely didn't consider how much the already-existing characters would get ignored so they could fix this "gender locking issue".