What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[KizuyaKatogami]

The thing is, I could see there being no one who would care enough to make a minion in memory of Zodiark.

I don’t think they even say who made the Venat minion though. For Zodiark they could just chalk it off to it being one of the remaining sundered, or that it was found as an early concept in Amaurot. Easily done. We already have the little amaurotine minion that’s essentially a concept. It wouldn’t be very far fetched and it could at least go into some detail of him outright keeping the world safe.

[linayar]

I don’t think they even say who made the Venat minion though. For Zodiark they could just chalk it off to it being one of the remaining sundered, or that it was found as an early concept in Amaurot. Easily done. We already have the little amaurotine minion that’s essentially a concept. It wouldn’t be very far fetched and it could at least go into some detail of him outright keeping the world safe.

Easily done, sure, but also easily not done. Like I said before, I don't think it's that big of a deal. It doesn't add or subtract to the story/worldbuilding, just nice to have, but also doesn't need to exist.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Easily done, sure, but also easily not done. Like I said before, I don't think it's that big of a deal. It doesn't add or subtract to the story/worldbuilding, just nice to have, but also doesn't need to exist.

I think it’s fairly strange to drive home the idea that both sides are equal but to then constantly give one side far more attention than the other. Especially given how the themes have been recently. It’s especially strange how we’re given 2 graha minions in one expansion when we haven’t had any whatsoever for the ascians/ancients outside of the one that is tied to the angelic god of the game, who is also treated as benevolent and kind. I think the bias should be called out so that maybe in the future they see that there are people that care more for the other side as well and would like to see some equality for once.

[linayar]

I think it’s fairly strange to drive home the idea that both sides are equal but to then constantly give one side far more attention than the other. Especially given how the themes have been recently. It’s especially strange how we’re given 2 graha minions in one expansion when we haven’t had any whatsoever for the ascians/ancients outside of the one that is tied to the angelic god of the game, who is also treated as benevolent and kind. I think the bias should be called out so that maybe in the future they see that there are people that care more for the other side as well and would like to see some equality for once.

Ok, maybe this is at the center of our differing views. I don't understand what you mean by both sides are equal. Therefore, I must currently reject the idea of that point having been driven home.

Also, any story implication does not necessitate the treatment of minions one way or another. If they want to make a minion of something, they can. If not, they can choose not to as well.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Ok, maybe this is at the center of our differing views. I don't understand what you mean by both sides are equal. Therefore, I must currently reject the idea of that point having been driven home.

Also, any story implication does not necessitate the treatment of minions one way or another. If they want to make a minion of something, they can. If not, they can choose not to as well.

The devs themselves have stated that neither side is good or evil, so o find it strange that they would show some bias in regards to venat/hydaelyn and not apply the same to the other side aka Elidibus and Zodiark. It’s not so much the minions(that was just an example) as much as it is the overall writing. They gave us no dialogue choices to even mention Elidibus sacrificing himself for us or labeling Zodiark essentially as the being that was keeping us safe all this time. However, we are constantly told how benevolent venat is and how much she did for us and that’s shown even more via a minion we obtained from her. Where is all of this for the opposing side? It’s just very one-sided and kind of against what the devs have stated previously. If it really were 50/50 on both sides then both sides would receive the same treatment. I brought up the minion thing because to this day we still haven’t even gotten an ascian or zodiark themed minion. Yet they now give us a Venat one…

[linayar]

The devs themselves have stated that neither side is good or evil, so o find it strange that they would show some bias in regards to venat/hydaelyn and not apply the same to the other side aka Elidibus and Zodiark. It’s not so much the minions(that was just an example) as much as it is the overall writing. They gave us no dialogue choices to even mention Elidibus sacrificing himself for us or labeling Zodiark essentially as the being that was keeping us safe all this time. However, we are constantly told how benevolent venat is and how much she did for us and that’s shown even more via a minion we obtained from her. Where is all of this for the opposing side? It’s just very one-sided and kind of against what the devs have stated previously. If it really were 50/50 on both sides then both sides would receive the same treatment. I brought up the minion thing because to this day we still haven’t even gotten an ascian or zodiark themed minion. Yet they now give us a Venat one…

The Ascians might have understandable reasons for their actions, but from our perspective, that doesn't make them not bad when we fought them.

In the end, they ended up helping us after their defeat. Meanwhile, Venat was always on our side. So, no, they're not equal in that sense.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The Ascians might have understandable reasons for their actions, but from our perspective, that doesn't make them not bad when we fought them.

In the end, they ended up helping us after their defeat. Meanwhile, Venat was always on our side. So, no, they're not equal in that sense.

Doesn’t change the fact about Zodiark though, or Elidibus. I wouldn’t say Venat was always on our side technically either if we equate ourselves to original Azem, whom she had also essentially betrayed and sundered. It depends on the perspective, but even so, it’s strange that the devs themselves state what the stance is on these things but still play favorites it seems. I just wish there was equality for both sides and not favoritism heavily skewed to one side. Seems like it’s always the pretty feminine characters that get the sympathy and fanservice whereas the more demonic looking ones (zodiark) get the short end of the stick, hence my comment about their appearances.