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    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    If the writing is truly so brilliant, then surely the writers can be trusted to kill off a major character from time to time on the level of Raubahn or Y'shtola rather than limiting it to minor one scene wonder NPC's or secondary figures that weren't all that important in the first place or who have already 'died' once already such as Minfilia and Ardbert.

    The latter of which, incidentally, is one of my favourite characters - though I'm not oblivious to the trend of making antagonists sympathetic and tragic only to kill them off and pretend as if the Warrior of Light has endured anything remotely close to what his opponents have gone through.

    The idea that death isn't needed to tell a good story often strikes me as something pushed by those who stand to benefit from keeping the status quo intact. Most people aren't willing to let go of their 'faves' and a big problem in modern storytelling resides within the mob that will push back at any suggestion that maybe if a threat is to be taken seriously, it should actually be a threat.

    Though if we concede that the Scions are 'untouchable' then many - myself included - will simply continue to roll their eyes next time they decide to drool and scream over each other to inform us all of how they have supposedly lost 'so much'.

    I'd like some consistency and commitment. As it stands, the 'themes' are all over the place. The sophistry about needing to 'move on' from loss wears thin once one considers that the characters stating as much have lost maybe a handful of people whereas those they're lecturing have lost nearly every single person that they've ever known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    If the writing is truly so brilliant, then surely the writers can be trusted to kill off a major character from time to time on the level of Raubahn or Y'shtola rather than limiting it to minor one scene wonder NPC's or secondary figures that weren't all that important in the first place or who have already 'died' once already such as Minfilia and Ardbert.

    Though if we concede that the Scions are 'untouchable' then many - myself included - will simply continue to roll their eyes next time they decide to drool and scream over each other to inform us all of how they have supposedly lost 'so much'.
    Please be noted I never said FF14 Enderwalker is untouchable and I am only strongly disagree that you need unnecessary artificial death for dramatic effect. I believed the main theme of Endwalker is to show humanity finally have the strength walk on their own and do not need an entity to carry them. This is strongly showed in Venat's speech before she sundered the world into 14 pieces. This story was never about apocalypses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Please be noted I never said FF14 Enderwalker is untouchable and I am only strongly disagree that you need unnecessary artificial death for dramatic effect. I believed the main theme of Endwalker is to show humanity finally have the strength walk on their own and do not need an entity to carry them. This is strongly showed in Venat's speech before she sundered the world into 14 pieces. This story was never about apocalypses.
    What do you mean do not need an entity to carry them? We literally only succeed because we had the help of godlike beings in every expansion. As for the character deaths. Rasler and Reks count, but so do Vossler and Reddas. As for type 0 i’m not sure how you got they would all die at the end just from the beginning but…literally doesn’t change anything that they all died. You’ve been given numerous examples and you try to retort by trying to use “artificial.” In an expansion that felt heavily artificial. The main theme of Endwalker is about dealing with loss,sacrifice, suffering etc and this is directly contradicted by the scions being resurrected at the end. So please tell me what the moral of the story here is because they were only really resurrected due to the ties to a higher up entity.
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