Genuine Scholar feedback

[EaMett]

Feels weird when people are appreciative with Addersgall for not having any dumping options except overheal and/or 700 MP, yet feels the exact opposite toward AF who has the button just for that: to avoid overhealing, drifting Aetherflow, and add a dps gain. Not saying Energy Drain is 100% good, they could’ve made a better stack spender alternative. But I’d take that over sitting at 3 stacks because fairy heals makes up considerable (arguably disgusting amount) portion of their heals.

And what about Lilies being ‘rewarding’? They are basically a 232p Glare: a loss, provided you will get a Misery use out of it. Except in AoE situation which hardly happens in boss encounters.

Wanting ED as a spender with DPS is (or at least has been) a really big part of the SCH identity and one of the reasons people migrated towards sch in the first place. Balancing DPS vs Heals was a fun mechanic.. when the DPS provided meant something. Now it feels lackluster and is really just a dump or a tiny reward for a lot of effort.
I'm not all that surprised that newer players to the job like OP here doesn't really like the idea. In its current form it's a half measure and really doesn't satisfy either side of the discussion.

[Calysto]

If you really want to remove ED and not overheal, instead you could have a pure barrier (since SCH has no pure barrier as a barrier healer) or a damageless defensive debuff (slow, blind, etc.)

[NobleWinter]

They could just give us Bane back to Spread and Refresh Dots for an Aetherflow charge so we never have to cast Biolysis after the first time or tab target 15 mobs.

[RinaShinomiya]

Meanwhile i still don't get why people care about overhealing so much. Without a DPS meter you wouldnt even know how much you overhealed and WHM and SGE overheal by design (not even refering to addersgall). Dumping all your AF stacks with the 1s cooldown heal, if you really need that fey gauge this badly, is virtually the same as using ED except you overheal instead of tickling the enemy. Instead of bringing ED back they really just should've overhauled the entire system.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Meanwhile i still don't get why people care about overhealing so much. Without a DPS meter you wouldnt even know how much you overhealed and WHM and SGE overheal by design (not even refering to addersgall). Dumping all your AF stacks with the 1s cooldown heal, if you really need that fey gauge this badly, is virtually the same as using ED except you overheal instead of tickling the enemy. Instead of bringing ED back they really just should've overhauled the entire system.

Because overhealing doesn't make the boss die faster but 100p extra damage does? Nobody needs DPS meter either to tell that healing a player with 68,000/73,000 HP with a button that heals 13,000 HP is an overheal and it definitely doesn't make me feel better if I can just let my fairy maintain that health in healthy range even longer while I throw in extra 100p or more until I need to heal them later on. It adds up.

[RinaShinomiya]

Yeah and on the flip side using AF for healing is a 100 potency loss, with 3 AF heals youre DPS losing as hard as WHM using lilies. Which feels worse than overhealing imho.
Plus your example only applied to SCH anyway, not the entire healing role.

[Sunhwapark]

I mean this is a SCH focused feedback thread, so I don't see the issue with what they said.

Aetherflow at least gives you an option on where the resources get invested (offensive vs defensive), and well if I have to I'd rather take a 100p loss by weaving Sacred Soil or Indomnitability after a Broil over having to hardcast Succor + Energy drain and throwing away almost 200p, but then again it's not like the playerbase designed SCH and WHM's skill kits to be a potency loss for using their abilities in a supportive manner.

[Tobalito]

Wanting ED as a spender with DPS is (or at least has been) a really big part of the SCH identity and one of the reasons people migrated towards sch in the first place. Balancing DPS vs Heals was a fun mechanic.. when the DPS provided meant something. Now it feels lackluster and is really just a dump or a tiny reward for a lot of effort.
I'm not all that surprised that newer players to the job like OP here doesn't really like the idea. In its current form it's a half measure and really doesn't satisfy either side of the discussion.

Have to agree with you. ED right now doesn't feel like a DPS gain. It feels like a means to keep up with other healers damage. If ED meant destroying the competition then that would be a different story.

What you currently see is SCH keeping up and maybe in some rare cases beating SGE but their healing is about 800k

SGE on the other hand can still very easily beast SCH in rDPS with 3 mil + healing.

Scholar sacrifices just to keep up, not for a dps gain.

[Tobalito]

Because overhealing doesn't make the boss die faster but 100p extra damage does? Nobody needs DPS meter either to tell that healing a player with 68,000/73,000 HP with a button that heals 13,000 HP is an overheal and it definitely doesn't make me feel better if I can just let my fairy maintain that health in healthy range even longer while I throw in extra 100p or more until I need to heal them later on. It adds up.

This is what baffles me about Sages that want a spender.

Everytime I hear the dps spender for Sage argument, they come at it like it's gonna be an addition to their current kit

Please be mindful that adding a DPS spender to Sage will decrease your Dosis potency.

SE ain't really in the buisness of just giving you flat damage without adjusting for it somewhere else.

You would then be in the same exact boat as Scholar and you wouldn't even gain damage out of it lol

[EaMett]

This is what baffles me about Sages that want a spender.

Everytime I hear the dps spender for Sage argument, they come at it like it's gonna be an addition to their current kit

Please be mindful that adding a DPS spender to Sage will decrease your Dosis potency.

SE ain't really in the buisness of just giving you flat damage without adjusting for it somewhere else.

You would then be in the same exact boat as Scholar and you wouldn't even gain damage out of it lol

It doesn't have to be. You could simply make a eukrasian toxicon that uses an addersgale stack instead of addersting. Since it's dps neutral and on the GCD it isn't a big deal. Not that SGE really needs more mobility. But there are ways of making it work. Right now we just spam heals on full party members for the MP, not exactly amazing gameplay.