Dungeon Mechanics are a little repetitive [[Spoilers]]

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I guess I can bite: the AOEs in dungeons are so infrequent or so minuscule that passive regens, AOE mitigations from other roles, or things like Bloodbath/Second Wind can be used in most instances to get by without a healer. WAR since ShB has been able to use Nascent Flash (now Bloodwhetting) to heal itself and a party member. I’ve duo’d many bosses lately with a WAR as a DPS and we’ve been just fine without a healer. I’ve also done dungeons with 1 tank and 3 DPS—so yes. Healers are still quite redundant in most of them; and them actually doing anything usually requires people eating excessive amounts of AOEs. Not the content being designed to actually put them to work.

Chiming in just because:
• RPR’s disgusting crest of returned time regen, on top of its ridiculous prerequisite shield at 30s cooldown.
• DNC’s improvisation regen & curing waltz.
• DRG’s self heal from the crit guaranteed buff.
• NIN’s self shield.
• SMN’s self shield, resurrection, and phoenix phase regen.
• BLM’s manaward.
• RDM’s Vercure & Verraise.
• All physical jobs access to Second Wind.
• All melee dps access to Bloodbath and Feint.
• All magical dps access to Addle.
• All physical ranged access to party mitigation.
• BRD’s Minne, RDM’s Magick Barrier, and MNK’s Mantra to augment healing actions.
• Tanks and their various self sustenance capabilities, with WAR being the greatest example of ”Healer who? Idk them.”-tank.

All these tools: I’ve seen and used them plenty enough of times already to also know how redundant healers participation can be. That being said, I wouldn’t think it’s the norm either. (Not disagreeing with you btw)

Take away healer from the equation & most generic, random parties will fall apart.

[Ransu]

OP is a troll and you all fell for it hook, line and sinker.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I guess I can bite: the AOEs in dungeons are so infrequent or so minuscule that passive regens, AOE mitigations from other roles, or things like Bloodbath/Second Wind can be used in most instances to get by without a healer. WAR since ShB has been able to use Nascent Flash (now Bloodwhetting) to heal itself and a party member. I’ve duo’d many bosses lately with a WAR as a DPS and we’ve been just fine without a healer. I’ve also done dungeons with 1 tank and 3 DPS—so yes. Healers are still quite redundant in most of them; and them actually doing anything usually requires people eating excessive amounts of AOEs. Not the content being designed to actually put them to work.

Most people aren’t that good though, and beyond bragging rights doesn’t offer any incentive besides maybe quicker loot. The amount of times healer is called redundant suggests this forum is demanding everyone become that good, which we all know is not going to happen. People still prefer healing over the other two or they just lack the ability and/or skill. You want to run your duties that way, go right ahead. Just don’t get upset when others won’t.

[Hatfright]

For all the "I am calling out the moral corruption of these types of people and their low personal moral standards" OP is pushing:

[HyoMinPark]

Most people aren’t that good though, and beyond bragging rights doesn’t offer any incentive besides maybe quicker loot. The amount of times healer is called redundant suggests this forum is demanding everyone become that good, which we all know is not going to happen. People still prefer healing over the other two or they just lack the ability and/or skill. You want to run your duties that way, go right ahead. Just don’t get upset when others won’t.

Disagree. It’s merely healers commenting on the severe lack of actual healing they have to do. Or their complete reliance on their party being a total meme to spend any significant amount of time pressing a button other than their DPS AOE or single-target nuke.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Disagree. It’s merely healers commenting on the severe lack of actual healing they have to do. Or their complete reliance on their party being a total meme to spend any significant amount of time pressing a button other than their DPS AOE or single-target nuke.

Well a majority of my runs are walltowall when I’m healing, so outside of bosses and occasional single pull, I’m not seeing the nothing to do argument.

[HyoMinPark]

Well a majority of my runs are walltowall when I’m healing, so outside of bosses and occasional single pull, I’m not seeing the nothing to do argument.

My argument wasn’t that there was nothing to do—unless you want to be a non-DPSing healer. My argument was there’s very little healing to do. Even in wall-to-wall unless you have a tank allergic to cooldowns. Most wall-to-wall with even a semi-competent tank can be healed with oGCDs alone. And most of your time as a healer during them is pressing your AOE button. There’s very few exceptions to this.

In 8-man content like normal modes, having two healers is very often redundant. One could easily solo heal with low effort provided the party aren’t clowning around while the other primarily does damage. Alliance raids are much the same.

[Avatre]

My argument wasn’t that there was nothing to do—unless you want to be a non-DPSing healer. My argument was there’s very little healing to do. Even in wall-to-wall unless you have a tank allergic to cooldowns. Most wall-to-wall with even a semi-competent tank can be healed with oGCDs alone.

Or if you get DPS who are allergic to AoEs like the RPR I had in expert roulette last night....ended up burning through practically all my CDs each pull...and had to Superbolide a couple times as well during that run...and I don't even remember the last time I had to use Superbolide in a wall to wall pull.

[DragoAskani]

I think its really bad that the DPS monkeys with no life get to dictate what is fun in the game. I have always appreciated FF for its wierdness in a lot of areas and its light hearted tone juxtaposed with heavy themes (Which is why FFIX is my favourite game ever made). It just feels that the Emo's and Edgelords are the only demographic Square Enix seem to care about now. I mean "Reaper" and rock music... come on... It feels like a load of 30+ year old people trying to relive the 2000's again.

Pot meet kettle.

[RatKing]

"Please take away any semblence of danger from dungeons next"
I lost man, we went from designs like xelphatol and brayflox hm to just corridor corridor 2 packs, boss that cant kill anything but a sleeping dps, corridor corridor, 16 invulns as tank still cant be wiped

And you want to remove the joy of watching literal pepegas wipe to "read my ability cast or die for litterally sleeping" mechanics next.

No, they literally reduced the dungeon per patch to ONE. ONE DUNGEON. You can press expert roulette in a shadowbringers patch and all you would get is that one patch dungeon for months on end.