Power Fantasy [[Spoilers]]

[linayar]

I very much want to go back to being "just an adventurer" rather than the Savior of All Life Everywhere (SALE). Yeah, we'll always be the SALE by virtue of past actions, but that doesn't mean we can't put that aside and take up a life of adventure for the sake of adventure.

They're not mutually exclusive. You don't have to put aside any status to go on an adventure. What matters is the plot. The game even allows you to take on a raid quest and a mundane beast tribe daily quest at the same time.

Oh, it was a disservice. Even the man himself ask "why would I be stupid enough to jeopardize my mission by inviting my enemy to my hideout". If emet truly not sentimental, he would have kill the WoL at Mt gulg, or at least never tell us about Amaurot. He kept giving us chances in the name of "trial" and "test". He can easily kill the scions before ardbert joined us yet he didn't.

That's irrelevant. Was Emet doing his best in the fight? I think he was, and that's what matters.

And don't get me started at Azem crystal and elidibus. You might say "but emet help us during elidibus fight because it's mercy killing", you'll be right, but honestly it's dumb as fck. In order to make that narrative works, they made elidibus a half-ass person. This guy has led countless genocide over 12k years, they only need to rejoin one more world, and yet he refuse to remember because "remember things hurts me ("

So yeah, we only win because emet is too sentimental and elidibus being half-ass. Oh, and plus plot armor.

Again, we're talking about our character's fighting power. It doesn't matter what could've happened in the story. Our character could be beaten by being poisoned in our sleep, but that's irrelevant to the thread.

[Divinemights]

Is it me or did Endwalker lapse into power fantasy a bit too hard. I mean, I know this game tries to make out that you are the best thing in the whole word but the whole Azem thing is a little ridiculous and completely invalidates the point of making your own character.
Also, now the Hydalean is dead, we should have lost our power as we were "chosen" by her... so can we go back to being just a normal person now because the demi-god stuff is getting old.
This story just completely jumped the shark at the end and invalidated any emotional payoff at all. Do people not enjoy humility and just being a small part of a way larger world?

Bail out by Blessing of Light is getting old to be honest.
It is good time to put an end on that as Hyadaelean arc has concluded.
Beside, we did gained a new power, the power of Azem Summon
Also, I believed Yoship said Emet's involvement is not over yet.
The interaction of Azem and Emet would generates a lot of chemistry effect

[OhNooo]

Change of lead writing.
Ishikawa is very good at writing sympathetic antagonists and melodrama. But once she took over the power of friendship to do anything vibe definitely took over full force in Shadowbringers onwards.

In my opinion I think she should stick with smaller parts. I enjoyed azim steppe and the drk questline, but not sure her style was the best for wrapping up approximately 10 years of lore. I'm definitely a fan of the low fantasy depiction in HW. Too bad they got rid of role quests because I'd love to continue the drk quest and maybe Ishikawa could work on other role quests. But looks like the devs have decided to get rid of the individual role quests for good.

[Nothv13]

People really out here like they A) aren't following the story or B) not experienced with JRPGs.

It's hard to believe people come up with so uninformed opinions so...consistently.



Literally, you don't have the blessing of light anymore now that Hydaelyn is gone. Meaning while you may be at the very least be above average, you aren't necessarily a God.

If you ask me, the creation of those warding amulets is a narrating ploy to potentially cover the fact that the WoL is not auto protected from primal summonings anymore. You can put regular big bads again and narratively, it still makes sense. You can narratively power scale a character back which they have already done. They even reduced you contextually to the "traveler" or "adventurer". You aren't really considered the WoL either.

1. HW dealt with not having Hydaelyn's protection in the blessing of light. We've always been a well above average human and after SHB we are the most rejoined human among the population pushing us that much higher.
2. We are still protected from tempering as it is the echo that protects us not the blessing of light. The amulets simply allows trusts to be able to encounter primals in dungeons such as the magus sisters and anima.
3. There has been no scaling back of power so far. The new raids literally still battling ancients and creatures that can bind and corrupt the ancients.

[GrizzlyTank]

Yes, but that usually marks the end of the story. Problem is, this is an MMO with no endpoint.

We've killed all the Primals, the beast men version of gods

We've killed Z & H, the Ascians version of gods

And it's pretty much a given that the EW Alliance Raids will have us thrash The Twelve™, man's version of gods.

Where do you go?

Zodiarc was in tatters and Hyadelin was spent when we fought them, we never even got to kill what is arguably the strongest primal followed by those two namely Alexander.

Also recently did E2 again... Apparently during that fight there is a quite massive hand off something from the thirteenth trying to grab us or the boss.

The world is still ripe with foes that are dangerous to us.

[Gameovers]

"The arcane is mine to command!"

Pulls out the 357 magnum

I see you .... opening!!!

[KizuyaKatogami]

Also recently did E2 again... Apparently during that fight there is a quite massive hand off something from the thirteenth trying to grab us or the boss.

The world is still ripe with foes that are dangerous to us.

That seems like a bit of a retcon with the eden story tbh. They had gaia controlling all those voidsent and this is literally never seen again with her fight or the story. Also the names of the creature with the hand and the heads she summoned are related to gaia in greek mythos i believe. They could still make an appearance i suppose but idk anymore after all of the retcons theyve done.

[Silvarer]

This story just completely jumped the shark at the end and invalidated any emotional payoff at all. Do people not enjoy humility and just being a small part of a way larger world?

If I'm going to play a fantasy game then I want to be able to do great and fantastical things and be important to the story. I'm just a small insignificant part of the world in real life so why on earth should I want to be a nobody in a game when it's something I can do any day of my life?

[GrizzlyTank]

That seems like a bit of a retcon with the eden story tbh. They had gaia controlling all those voidsent and this is literally never seen again with her fight or the story. Also the names of the creature with the hand and the heads she summoned are related to gaia in greek mythos i believe. They could still make an appearance i suppose but idk anymore after all of the retcons theyve done.

Because something doesn't appear again, yet doesn't make it a retcon. What we can assume is that her Ascian powers were going out of hand until we knocked her out. One thing is certain though and that is that the thirteen is still a credible threat to the others shards.

[Illmaeran]

They're not mutually exclusive. You don't have to put aside any status to go on an adventure. What matters is the plot. The game even allows you to take on a raid quest and a mundane beast tribe daily quest at the same time.

That's true. What I was thinking is more of a Superman / Clark Kent type deal. Superman is always Superman even when he's going around as Clark Kent, but Clark Kent doesn't get the sort of attention Superman does. If we, as the SALE, travel around in our SALE outfit, people will treat us as such and we'll likely continue to get pulled into grand scale things. I'd like to "become Clark Kent", go to a place where people don't know who I am, and adventure as Clark Kent, helping the lady across the street and not fighting Lex Luthor for the fate of the world.

The SALE will always been the SALE, but I'd love for the sCale of our adventures to be reduced.