The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion

[Aikaal]

I think you're being a bit disingenuous by acting like you got high purples on your first clears through the fight. On Ramuh, yes, but as soon as Ifrit and Garuda it takes you six clears to get anything above 65. Your first clears of Idol are green, grey, and green. It took you four clears to get your only purple ever in Shiva. With one and a half hands, sure that's impressive and I don't want to take away that accomplishment, but don't pretend you even halfway began to optimize the job.

I do agree logs are a pretty stupid way to point out an argument. I ado appreciate you digging the past but I don't see why you had to point out the bad logs only lol. You've also farmed your Verse logs. I did not. We have compared logs on the week of March 3rd to 5th. I got a 75 and you got a 83. I was playing RDM on raid for the first time with an injury. There's also always gonna have a skill ceiling and I can tell you there's a significant difference between an ok Summoner and a good Summoner similar to RDM. Still, I pointed it out simply because the argument that Summoner is brain dead is invalid because I also find RDM brain dead. It's all preferences and it shouldn't matter in the balance.

Not agreeing with you doesn't mean that I'm not contributing to the conversation. Your opinions are not absolute and as such are open to be challenged. Your opinion on "ranged tax" doesn't align with the precedent of how SE balanced physical ranged. Your opinion on rotational difficulty not correlating with higher damage doesn't align with the view of Director and Producer himself. I find it equally fair to challenge your opinion on support and general balance as well. Afterall, your arguments are full of double standards and fallacies. And since you have not yet deigned to adress those I consider them pretty valuable to highlight.

Honestly, we could meet in the middle as SaberMaxwell pointed out. With SMN and RDM on par with each other. Add another 200-250 rDPS to SMN and they will be within 5% variation and crit RNG of each other. One will pay for it's slightly higher support capabilites and the other for its slightly higher rotational simplicity and mobility. And no one will feel useless.

Quite frankly, if they do acknowledge the raise tax shouldn't exist and they simply turn it into a long cooldown as an instant cast. Having comparable DPS would be fine. Because while Ver Cure and Magick Barrier can be used at will compared to Rekindle and Everlasting Flight because these skills can only be used under Phoenix. There is an argument that there is so much mitigation but it devalues Magick Barrier. However, it's still slightly better.

I get why Red Mages mains are tired that raise tax should penalize them but it's the sad truth. There is a thing, a saying; Ver Raise and Ver Cure have helped recover and clear UCoB clears. It's really strong. Well, UCoB is outdated content, the same principle still applies to current raid tiers. If that can sort the feud between Summoner & Red Mage, it's probably the better option. It would affort a bit more exposure to Black Mage in progression since raise would have less value.

What remain true is that Summoner requires a change. Potency buffs would likely fix things but it'd be a cheap way to fix things. The core restrictive rotation is annoying. Having to unsync Bahamut from buff windows in a fight because its the best DPS option shows that Summoner has anti-synergy with the rest of his/her party.

All I have to say is I'm sorry that happened I honestly didn't know since I personally didn't see it happen. I still stand by what I have said over and over in this thread and I'm just tired of repeating myself to these rdm who don't want to listen to reason. I'm done, I'm checking out, they have won because I'm tired of being attacked for not wanting to feel unwanted. Two wrongs don't make a right. Again I'm done with this thread and with any ego-infected rdm who thinks smn deserves to be denied in parties just because they had to go through that themselves. That's a community problem, not a balance one.

There was indeed a time on RDM release in Stormblood. I was playing melee but Red Mage was heavily memed on. It was fixed imho during ShB but they were tuned down damage wise but had good party buffs so people would pick them. Fixing Embolden so everyone benefits from Embolden is honestly the greatest QoL they got imho.

If that make y'all Red Mages more happy, I did update the original post and added that you don't want your firepower to be under Summoners when adjustments are made on Summoners.