Has the WoW crowd taken over now?

[Bellsong]

"You can't kick me! That's harassment!"
*Disbands and reforms party without them*

[Intellion]

That is harassment lol. If you're gonna be toxic toward players maybe just have a static and leave PF alone.

Not gonna lie, this is probably one of the worst takes I’ve seen in this whole thread.

So if a PF group is specifically searching for qualified members for a difficult, high-end content, and an unqualified casual looking for a carry sneaks in, then he consistently wipes the group over and over from screwing up an early mechanic, then gets understandably kicked for both wasting the group’s time AND disrespecting their recruitment criteria that they made very transparent from the get go, the group is somehow the “toxic” one, and not the inexperienced casual thinking he’s entitled to a carry?

What makes you think that experienced raiders who have already practiced a high-end content for days upon end have no right to search for equally-skilled/qualified members so they can finally get that clear?

What makes you think that unqualified players have a God-given right to force experienced players to carry their lazy bums through high-end content against their will, and that getting booted for sabotaging a group they don’t belong in is “harassment?”

Sorry to say, but if you force yourself into a raiding group when your skills are not yet up to par with what that group is looking for, then cry foul when said group kicks you out, YOU are the problem, not the PF group. YOU are the toxic one for knowingly wasting the raiders’ time and effort, and disrespecting their wishes.

Might want to curb that toxic casualism there.

[Zsolen]

Stereotyping is bad.

[SmallVenat]

I am the WoW community , I have come to take your sweet rolls & Pumpkin Pottages.

[Noctisnine]

If you see a pf like that you just report the person and it's done. This kind of behavior is not tolerated. There is no arguing anything here. Report and ban. End of the story.

[Intellion]

If you see a pf like that you just report the person and it's done. This kind of behavior is not tolerated. There is no arguing anything here. Report and ban. End of the story.

While the PF advertisement mentioning DPS numbers is indeed reportable since advertising parsers is against TOS, the others on the OP’s list are perfectly reasonable and don’t violate the TOS at all.

Which is to say, please don’t encourage further bad behavior from the so-called toxic casual crowd.

If you don’t meet a PF group’s requirements, have some common courtesy and don’t join. Form your own group, or get better in a fresh prog PF group first. Once your skills are up to par, feel free to join those “elite” groups.

It’s really as simple as that.

[SmallVenat]

While the PF advertisement mentioning DPS numbers is indeed reportable since advertising parsers is against TOS, the others on the OP’s list are perfectly reasonable and don’t violate the TOS at all.

Which is to say, please don’t encourage further bad behavior from the so-called toxic casual crowd.

If you don’t meet a PF group’s requirements, have some common courtesy and don’t join. Form your own group, or get better in a fresh prog PF group first. Once your skills are up to par, feel free to join those “elite” groups.

It’s really as simple as that.

This, If you don't like the group's requirements ,just join another one and move on.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

That is harassment lol. If you're gonna be toxic toward players maybe just have a static and leave PF alone.

Please stay out of PF. You’d end up reporting nearly everyone because you didn’t get your way.

[Coatl]

If everyone pulls their weight and through a joint effort with the rest of the party clears the instance, then no one gets kicked or reported.

[Johners]

That is harassment lol. If you're gonna be toxic toward players maybe just have a static and leave PF alone.

I disagree, it's not harassment to set clear group expectations. The party finder is just a tool to help people find and fill groups, it's not an expectation of behaviour or play style. The duty finder, by extension, is also the same thing except the game groups you together and the content is designed so can't fail.

There's a fundamental difference between attacking someone for having bad parses and low DPS versus using that as a metric to determine what the expected outcomes of the group is for. Not everyone can or wants to join a static but doesn't mean they can't make or form groups, when they want to play, with a clear goal in mind. You're not entitled to a place in someone's party finder group just because they make it and if you're going to set super high requirements to join, you're not entitled to have anybody join your groups.

I really think Yoshi-P and the FFXIV community has to have an honest conversation about this and actually recognise the areas in which things are toxic and things are a mechanism to make entirely reasonable choices. I don't want to be the guy making the "you don't pay my subscription" argument but it is an MMORPG and while you should treat each other people with respect, they don't have to play with and it's usually not harassment if they don't.