DoRK and Materia: is Tenacity a Good Friend?

[Ryaduera]

Tenacity is only good on Warrior when Crit/Det is filled to their stat cap for melding.

There's no reason otherwise to add the stat.

Well, not necessarily. Warriors are going heavily into Tenacity right now because it does enhance 3 things, of which warriors need a lot of. It does increase damage, just negligibly so, but at least it does something offensively. It also reduces damage taken, which is something all tanks do, and it also does increase healing taken (not done, meaning all sources including self, so this can also get bigger SCH and SGE shields) and warriors have a ton of self healing. There's a decent chunk of tenacity in warrior BiS right now.

DRK, however, benefits greater from a comfortable skill speed and a lot of crit and direct hit, so I'd say only go tenacity if you also play a decent amount of warrior. It won't be optimal on DRK, but that doesn't make it necessarily bad, but it will be BiS for your warrior. DRK does have the least healing though, only souleater, so it won't help DRK nearly as much as it does the other tanks. Very bottom priority for DRK.

[Undeadfire]

Well, not necessarily. Warriors are going heavily into Tenacity right now because it does enhance 3 things, of which warriors need a lot of. It does increase damage, just negligibly so, but at least it does something offensively.

Doesn't need, only filling the gaps of capped Crit/Det, Direct Hit has always been useless to Warrior.

It also reduces damage taken, which is something all tanks do, and it also does increase healing taken (not done, meaning all sources including self, so this can also get bigger SCH and SGE shields) and warriors have a ton of self healing.

There's no value to this, the Tenacity % will hardly increase the shield numbers to be worth it, Healers have so much O-GCDs it is ultra pointless, DPS will always be a dominant force.

There's a decent chunk of tenacity in warrior BiS right now.

Like I said, Det/Crit filled, Tenacity fills the next gap if Skill Speed is optimal choice set.

DRK, however, benefits greater from a comfortable skill speed and a lot of crit and direct hit, so I'd say only go tenacity if you also play a decent amount of warrior. It won't be optimal on DRK, but that doesn't make it necessarily bad, but it will be BiS for your warrior. DRK does have the least healing though, only souleater, so it won't help DRK nearly as much as it does the other tanks. Very bottom priority for DRK.

It's not about say, it's optimal stat values, Tenacity has always grossly been a weak stat and has never made it's place in anything than filler for Warrior, Savage, Ultimates still didn't warrant it.

[Ryaduera]

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All I'm going to say is if this were true the other tanks BiS would be the same. GNB replaces those Tenacity materia with DH materia, for example. (But yes, the shield amount is negligible, was just a technicality, I should have been more clear.)

[TheOperator3712]

All I'm going to say is if this were true the other tanks BiS would be the same. GNB replaces those Tenacity materia with DH materia, for example.

The reason that the other tanks don't share BiS with Warrior has nothing to do with Tenacity at all. It is entirely because of Warrior's inability to capitalize on Direct Hit as a stat, due to their guaranteed Critical-Direct Hits on their most powerful attacks. A function which is noticeably lacking on the other tanks who are all quite capable of benefitting from Direct Hit melds. Tenacity is only melded on any tank when there is nothing else to meld or it allows for fewer wasted substat points. This fact in conjunction with the lack of Direct Hit on tank gear means that the non-Warrior tanks will use Direct Hit Melds in almost every slot that doesn't need to be used for Crit or Skill Speed.

So to answer the thread's original question, no tenacity is not useful. Even for Dark Knight. If you stack as much Tenacity as you can you get an extra 5% mitigation at most, and a very negligible increase to healing received. You are much better off stacking Crit, and on non-Warrior Tanks, stack Direct Hit after you reach your optimal GCD tier. This will allow you to do more damage in order to kill enemies faster, which means they are hitting you for a shorter period of time. Damage is much more effective mitigation than Tenacity, doubly so in normal content.

[Ryaduera]

The reason that the other tanks don't share BiS with Warrior has nothing to do with Tenacity at all. It is entirely because of Warrior's inability to capitalize on Direct Hit as a stat, due to their guaranteed Critical-Direct Hits on their most powerful attacks. A function which is noticeably lacking on the other tanks who are all quite capable of benefitting from Direct Hit melds. Tenacity is only melded on any tank when there is nothing else to meld or it allows for fewer wasted substat points. This fact in conjunction with the lack of Direct Hit on tank gear means that the non-Warrior tanks will use Direct Hit Melds in almost every slot that doesn't need to be used for Crit or Skill Speed.

So to answer the thread's original question, no tenacity is not useful. Even for Dark Knight. If you stack as much Tenacity as you can you get an extra 5% mitigation at most, and a very negligible increase to healing received. You are much better off stacking Crit, and on non-Warrior Tanks, stack Direct Hit after you reach your optimal GCD tier. This will allow you to do more damage in order to kill enemies faster, which means they are hitting you for a shorter period of time. Damage is much more effective mitigation than Tenacity, doubly so in normal content.

I literally agreed with all of this. I even said it would be optimal on Warrior and it would do less than every other meld, but I'm also not going to act like it does nothing for you. He asked if it did anything, not what others should tell him to meld. If he wants Tenacity, just tell him the pros and cons and move on. People tend to angrily agree with me, I don't know why.

DRK, however, benefits greater from a comfortable skill speed and a lot of crit and direct hit, so I'd say only go tenacity if you also play a decent amount of warrior. It won't be optimal on DRK, but that doesn't make it necessarily bad, but it will be BiS for your warrior. DRK does have the least healing though, only souleater, so it won't help DRK nearly as much as it does the other tanks. Very bottom priority for DRK.