I thought people might be exaggerating about SMN

[Vegituh]

It is a bit jaundiced to characterize a Job people are enjoying as "bad" and then go on to say that actual data is the only thing that counts.

I could say the same to the people who are claiming that the "data" backs up the rework, but when proven otherwise they say that the data doesn't matter.

Not to mention the amount of people in this thread claiming that the class was bad before. According to said data, a decent amount of people enjoyed that version of the class, including me.

So its okay for people to say SHB SMN was bad, but me saying EW SMN is bad is wrong? People who liked the old class don't matter? Only the new EW SMNers matter apparently.

[Floortank]

So its okay for people to say SHB SMN was bad, but me saying EW SMN is bad is wrong? People who liked the old class don't matter? Only the new EW SMNers matter apparently.

No, it's not correct for people to discard the opinions of people who liked old SMN. I accept those opinions and realize the profound disappointment being expressed. Not being sarcastic.

But! You are definitely not presenting yourself well to say "the data, the data" and disregard all the data right here in the thread, of people saying they like it now, and enjoy it.

I find the reasons for changing SMN to make a lot of sense. It does not lessen the consequences it has had on people who are/were attached to the old Job. I do not think it makes the new Job bad, however. Certainly unpleasant to some who share your POV.

If data is really important, then all data is important, not just the information that agrees with you.

[Vegituh]

No, it's not correct for people to discard the opinions of people who liked old SMN. I accept it and realize the profound disappointment. Not being sarcastic.

But! You are definitely not presenting yourself well to say "the data, the data" and disregard all the data right here in the thread, of people saying they like it now, and enjoy it.

I find the reasons for changing SMN to make a lot of sense. It does not lessen the consequences it has had on people who are/were attached to the old Job. I do not think it makes the new Job bad, however. Certainly unpleasant to some who share your POV.

The only reason I started bringing up "the data!" was due to the amount of people in this thread claiming that SHB SMN was the least played class in the game and that proved that no one liked the class. So I proved that it was, in fact, wrong, and now people are claiming the data doesn't matter.

And dude, you have no idea how unreliable these fourms are for gauging anything about this game. If you go by the fourms opinion, you will have a very misshapen view of this game. Besides, I see a decent amount of people upset with the class rework, and not just in these forums. "All data is important" right?

[Floortank]

The only reason I started bringing up "the data!" was due to the amount of people in this thread claiming that SHB SMN was the least played class in the game and that proved that no one liked the class. So I proved that it was, in fact, wrong, and now people are claiming the data doesn't matter.

And dude, you have no idea how unreliable these fourms are for gauging anything about this game. If you go by the fourms opinion, you will have a very misshapen view of this game. Besides, I see a decent amount of people upset with the class rework, and not just in these forums. "All data is important" right?

The forum is a place to go for information. You're here too, aren't you?

Edit: I hope you recognize the irony of using the forum to express how unreliable forum poster opinions are.

[Vegituh]

The forum is a place to go for information. You're here too, aren't you?

It is generally my last place to go for information. Most people that I have talked to have a very negative view of this place, and considering some of the topics I've seen in this forum over the years I tend to agree.

My best friend, who got me into this game in the first place back in ARR, told me to never come here for information. I tend to check Reddit, Discord and Twitter way before I check here. And the only reason I am here right now was boredom while waiting in queue. Didn't have much else to read. Felt like shutting down some of the lies I saw in this thread, but I'm pretty sure I've wasted my time. Oh well.

[Floortank]

It is generally my last place to go for information. Most people that I have talked to have a very negative view of this place, and considering some of the topics I've seen in this forum over the years I tend to agree.

My best friend, who got me into this game in the first place back in ARR, told me to never come here for information. I tend to check Reddit, Discord and Twitter way before I check here. And the only reason I am here right now was boredom while waiting in queue. Didn't have much else to read. Felt like shutting down some of the lies I saw in this thread, but I'm pretty sure I've wasted my time. Oh well.

"I like new SMN" isn't really an unreliable or outrageous opinion, forum or not.

And taking an interest in conversations broadly is a good thing. Reading does not mean accepting. Actively challenging ideas you disagree with makes the forum better.

[Vegituh]

"I like new SMN" isn't really an unreliable or outrageous opinion, forum or not.

And taking an interest in conversations broadly is a good thing. Reading does not mean accepting. Actively challenging ideas you disagree with makes the forum better.

But "I liked old SMN" is treated as not only an outrageous opinion, but entirely invalid by a lot of people in this thread. The topics all boil down to this:

Player starts thread, unhappy with new SMN. Thread is flooded by people saying "But I like new SMN so you must be wrong" (paraphrasing) and then the thread devolves into a mess and eventually dies before another, almost identical thread, gets opened up. Rinse, repeat. It feels like the whole thing is treading water.

And the worst part is. Neither party is wrong or right. Gameplay is subjective. I liked old Summoner, I liked it a lot. But someone else might like new Summoner just as much. And thats fine. Congratulations, you've got a job you like in this game. The kicker for me though, is that I lost my job. Oh sure I'm still playing it. But for the most part its until 6.1 to see if they actually plan on doing anything with it. Then I might have to give up the Job I've spent the last 5 years playing. That stings.