The real reason DRK players are upset

[Karkarov]

So couple things.

1: No class is the same as it was in HW today. This isn't a Dark Knight thing, is a "three expansions later" thing.
2: Maybe if all the Dark Knights think they are not tanky enough now they shouldn't have all whined like little girls about not being the best tank DPS in ShB, just saying.
3: At this point in the games meta Dark Knight is easily the best off tank, they are far and away the best tank DPS, The Blackest Knight is a god like targetable mitigation tool that can add free DPS for the DK, and Oblation is another new targetable mitigator that even has a somewhat low cooldown and works off charges. PS you know that Dark Mind is really strong for off tanking too right, because what kind of damage is most likely to be hitting the raid not the main tank? Magic.

I am sorry you don't like EW DK, but talking like the class "has nothing" and the devs "don't know what to do with it" just shows that you (and most Dark Knight players) have no idea what you are talking about. It is obvious the devs knew exactly what they wanted for DK in this expansion, and frankly they achieved it.

My only Dark Knight complaint is the abilities are rewarded at stupid levels and basic fundamental skills are not given to them soon enough. I love going into a level 50 dungeon for example and only having two aoes, no aoe combo, and no method of regening mana with aoe other than blood weapon. Not having my real bread and butter mitigation tool TBN is nice too. It isn't like every other tank has a resource free aoe combo and a third aoe that costs no resources by 40-45 or anything.

[Weetzlo]

Bruh, "far and away the best DPS"? It's a literal 2% difference over GNB looking at averages and if you look to the top the gap closes with the best most thirsty DRKs putting out 1% more damage than the best GNBs. Dark Mind is good because you take less damage from raidwides, even when the healers are going to have to push out the same amount of raid healing since the other 7 members of the group didn't have Dark Mind? Fresh take. Also, TBN is not a DPS gain. If it pops, it is simply not a DPS loss.

[Danelo]

So couple things...

I take issue with being called whiny or the generalization that are not so accurate so if this comes in hot... you deserve it:

1. So jobs change from expansion to expansion and this is the reason something akin to hw DRK can’t exist? DRK barely changed from 5.0 to 6.0 so spare us the excuse. Look at drg, it’s very similar, mainly added onto from hw. If you didn’t like it then make your case and leave it there.
2. Dark knight is a tank, not a dps. It needs a standard fare of defensive tools. It got the shaft in this regard. It may feel/be the same in raids, sad considering all the issues which have been laid out, but it is even more subpar in dungeons - dps doesn’t make up the difference in its defensive kit in dungeons. There are many Omni tanks around here so, while possible, you shouldn’t have to switch tanks to comfortably do base content through the storyline - dungeons are part of that.
3. For the last time, TBN IS NOT FREE. It has the greatest cost of all of them bcs two are completely free and the other pulls from a pool that is for defensive tools only. It is the only short cd that you have to get 100% percent value out of to not be a loss. Yes HoC, intervention, nascent are also targetable on others. Every tank got what DRK got but better and for dps... on a tank... Before you say it’s a trade off, keep in mind that gnb was the highest dps tank last go around and had a 1200 pot heal and a shield/heal in its 1-2-3 combo. So why can’t DRK at least have that considering LD? Damage specific mitigation’s are garbage. It’s not fun and that raidwide you used dm on while ot... what would have happened if you had done nothing? You would have been healed with the rest of the raid that also got hit by it so, ummm, not interesting - buff oblation for all damage and replace dm.

If the devs design for DRK was to get its players to leave for other tanks or rpr then you’re right, they achieved it. high on copium. So high.

[Axxion]

So couple things.

1: No class is the same as it was in HW today. This isn't a Dark Knight thing, is a "three expansions later" thing.
2: Maybe if all the Dark Knights think they are not tanky enough now they shouldn't have all whined like little girls about not being the best tank DPS in ShB, just saying.
3: At this point in the games meta Dark Knight is easily the best off tank, they are far and away the best tank DPS, The Blackest Knight is a god like targetable mitigation tool that can add free DPS for the DK, and Oblation is another new targetable mitigator that even has a somewhat low cooldown and works off charges. PS you know that Dark Mind is really strong for off tanking too right, because what kind of damage is most likely to be hitting the raid not the main tank? Magic.

I am sorry you don't like EW DK, but talking like the class "has nothing" and the devs "don't know what to do with it" just shows that you (and most Dark Knight players) have no idea what you are talking about. It is obvious the devs knew exactly what they wanted for DK in this expansion, and frankly they achieved it.

My only Dark Knight complaint is the abilities are rewarded at stupid levels and basic fundamental skills are not given to them soon enough. I love going into a level 50 dungeon for example and only having two aoes, no aoe combo, and no method of regening mana with aoe other than blood weapon. Not having my real bread and butter mitigation tool TBN is nice too. It isn't like every other tank has a resource free aoe combo and a third aoe that costs no resources by 40-45 or anything.

suggestion go play the other tanks. Drk has alot of things lacking. TBN is still one of the most overrated skills

[AC9Breaker]

So couple things.

1: No class is the same as it was in HW today. This isn't a Dark Knight thing, is a "three expansions later" thing.
2: Maybe if all the Dark Knights think they are not tanky enough now they shouldn't have all whined like little girls about not being the best tank DPS in ShB, just saying.
3: At this point in the games meta Dark Knight is easily the best off tank, they are far and away the best tank DPS, The Blackest Knight is a god like targetable mitigation tool that can add free DPS for the DK, and Oblation is another new targetable mitigator that even has a somewhat low cooldown and works off charges. PS you know that Dark Mind is really strong for off tanking too right, because what kind of damage is most likely to be hitting the raid not the main tank? Magic.

I am sorry you don't like EW DK, but talking like the class "has nothing" and the devs "don't know what to do with it" just shows that you (and most Dark Knight players) have no idea what you are talking about. It is obvious the devs knew exactly what they wanted for DK in this expansion, and frankly they achieved it.

My only Dark Knight complaint is the abilities are rewarded at stupid levels and basic fundamental skills are not given to them soon enough. I love going into a level 50 dungeon for example and only having two aoes, no aoe combo, and no method of regening mana with aoe other than blood weapon. Not having my real bread and butter mitigation tool TBN is nice too. It isn't like every other tank has a resource free aoe combo and a third aoe that costs no resources by 40-45 or anything.

lmao, its like I keep telling people on these boards. Dark Knight is fine.

[Sacrilegion]

Define without using TBN in any frame of reference.

[VeolE]

lmao, its like I keep telling people on these boards. Dark Knight is fine.

Can you please go into details on WHY DRK is fine? Because I want to know some GOOD reasons on why it's fine. I mean, sure it's still viable, it functions "alright" despite it's clunkiness. Oh, and don't mention about it's TBN/DPS because that's the most overused word I've seen when it comes to DRK being "fine."

[MagiusNecros]

Can you please go into details on WHY DRK is fine? Because I want to know some GOOD reasons on why it's fine. I mean, sure it's still viable, it functions "alright" despite it's clunkiness. Oh, and don't mention about it's TBN/DPS because that's the most overused word I've seen when it comes to DRK being "fine."

He won't tell you. But the long and short of it is that Dark Knight performs "fine" in raids. Because that's what jobs are balanced around.

If it's fine in raids it's fine everywhere.

I really don't think the devs have any other reason to think otherwise.

[Sazuzaki]

Can you please go into details on WHY DRK is fine? Because I want to know some GOOD reasons on why it's fine. I mean, sure it's still viable, it functions "alright" despite it's clunkiness. Oh, and don't mention about it's TBN/DPS because that's the most overused word I've seen when it comes to DRK being "fine."

This. AC9 keeps saying "it's fine" without ever going in detail, meanwhile every other person giving feedback has actual detailed reasons to why they think that way. Like, the least you could do is at least justify your reasoning. It annoys me a little bit each time I see it, but it's more than likely what he wants tbh.