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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Why should something that generally takes 1-2 minutes to complete reward more XP than it currently does?

    An Avatar Trust run through a EW dungeon rewards about 30% of level for a 30-40 minute run (roughly 1% of a level per minute) Side quests are rewarding 2-2.5% of a level.

    When it comes to time efficiency, the side quests are the same if not slightly better. They don't need to be adjusted.

    If you want greater XP rewards, then you have roulettes and direct dungeon queues. FATE farming groups are also very time efficient right now. You get more XP for being willing to play with others. That's honestly the way it should be in a MMO.

    You might be thinking that trying to get all jobs leveled is an overwhelming task but the game isn't designed around players leveling every job. Doing so is an option for those with more time on their hands.
    I'd like to level every job solely so I have that option. It's a long term goal but so is clearing the map of side quests. Ideally I'd like to kill two birds with one stone and progress both of those goals at the same time.

    I don't particularly see why side quests, a one time activity, can't have a greater XP reward in comparison to things like FATEs or roulettes that you can endlessly farm. I appreciate that the roulette system is ultimately designed to keep more players running older dungeons so players of all levels/progress have people to queue with for MSQ dungeons etc but I should also have the choice to effectively level how I see fit.
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  2. #22
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Why should something that generally takes 1-2 minutes to complete reward more XP than it currently does?
    -Side quests do not take 1-2 minutes. Only the shortest ones do. Many are longer.

    -Side quests are in limited supply, unlike roulettes, fates and other content.

    -Side quests take developer time. If they're unpopular and very few players do them because they're so exp inefficient then that's unnecessarily wasted developer resources every expansion.

    -The developers disagree with you that MMO's should only be played with others, which is why they created Trusts and plenty of other solo content. Playing with others should be a choice, with alternatives existing when you just want to relax quietly yourself.

    They absolutely should be adjusted, especially since there is no harm in doing so (being limited supply means they can't damage roulette queues) and plenty of benefit (a nice change of pace from the usual grinds).
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    -Side quests do not take 1-2 minutes. Only the shortest ones do. Many are longer.

    -Side quests are in limited supply, unlike roulettes, fates and other content.

    -Side quests take developer time. If they're unpopular and very few players do them because they're so exp inefficient then that's unnecessarily wasted developer resources every expansion.

    -The developers disagree with you that MMO's should only be played with others, which is why they created Trusts and plenty of other solo content. Playing with others should be a choice, with alternatives existing when you just want to relax quietly yourself.

    They absolutely should be adjusted, especially since there is no harm in doing so (being limited supply means they can't damage roulette queues) and plenty of benefit (a nice change of pace from the usual grinds).
    Given that they're one time quests, the XP rate should probably match the beast tribes... at least for people that have completed the MSQ anyway.
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  4. #24
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    Just apply the Armoury Bonus and other bonuses to side quests and that will probably be good enough. Actually makes no sense that the Armoury Bonus does not work on side quests.
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    I hope this happens sooner rather than later...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Why should something that generally takes 1-2 minutes to complete reward more XP than it currently does?
    Since side quests are a one-and-done deal, it wouldn't be a bad thing for them to give a fair amount of XP. Something akin to doing all of a zone's side quests equals the same XP as doing the MSQ through that area would be nice. That way we can fairly quickly and easily level an alt job before switching to FATEs/Roulettes/whathaveyou for all the others. I won't lie, getting my 2nd battle job to 90 is feeling a bit more tedious than I'd like. I've been spamming FATEs like nobody's business to get the bicolor gemstones for crafting and XP isn't bad; especially with FC groups. However, the thought of getting the 3rd, let alone all of the others, to 90 is daunting to say the least.
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  7. #27
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    The EXP is not good, but it's not the reason why I don't do side quest, not the main reason anyway. The real issue is we can only track 5 quests at the time. I had tried to do side quest before, part to level but mainly for completion but quickly gave up on the idea.

    Each hub had over a dozen of side quests, I would be fine if I can track all of the them at the same time and do all of them at once. But right now depending on your luck (aka the order you picked the quests and their place on the tracking list), you can end up with a lot of back tracking which get frustrated realllllyyyy fast. Too many time after I finish a set of 5, turn them in just to see I'm being sent back to the same area I just left, of which I could have do them at the same time had they were tracked together.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    The EXP is not good, but it's not the reason why I don't do side quest, not the main reason anyway. The real issue is we can only track 5 quests at the time. I had tried to do side quest before, part to level but mainly for completion but quickly gave up on the idea.

    Each hub had over a dozen of side quests, I would be fine if I can track all of the them at the same time and do all of them at once. But right now depending on your luck (aka the order you picked the quests and their place on the tracking list), you can end up with a lot of back tracking which get frustrated realllllyyyy fast. Too many time after I finish a set of 5, turn them in just to see I'm being sent back to the same area I just left, of which I could have do them at the same time had they were tracked together.
    That's a fair point. I imagine there's a mod on PC that fixes it... even if it's of no use to me playing on PS5.
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  9. #29
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    Apparently every side quest in Endwalker will only get you from 80-86. They could triple the EXP and you wouldn't even get 2 classes from 80-90. There is no danger of an exp buff killing roulettes.
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    Mike Aettir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Each hub had over a dozen of side quests, I would be fine if I can track all of the them at the same time and do all of them at once. But right now depending on your luck (aka the order you picked the quests and their place on the tracking list), you can end up with a lot of back tracking which get frustrated realllllyyyy fast. Too many time after I finish a set of 5, turn them in just to see I'm being sent back to the same area I just left, of which I could have do them at the same time had they were tracked together.
    While it isn't a proper solution, when you get a quest where the icon turns into the 'green this is the last thing you have to do' icon, you can go into your journal and set the quest to not show up on the list. The quest complete icon will still appear on your map, so if you happen to pass one, you can hand it in, however it does also allow you to track 5 quests that still have objectives.
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