Dear WoW refugees and returning players

[Krotoan]

Heaven forfend people learn things and ruin your optimal DF runs for the day right?

[AbysmalDuck]

Heaven forfend people learn things and ruin your optimal DF runs for the day right?

Right, next on this forum will be people saying you can't wear certain glam because it doesn't coincide with my role playing experience and storyline.

[Krotoan]

Right, next on this forum will be people saying you can't wear certain glam because it doesn't coincide with my role playing experience and storyline.

.. you wanna open up another Glam toggle thread? That's cool. But maybe not here.

[AbysmalDuck]

.. you wanna open up another Glam toggle thread? That's cool. But maybe not here.

Didn't know that was already an argument, but the fact that it was, is scary.

[Imora]

Heaven forfend people learn things and ruin your optimal DF runs for the day right?

If there's no new player notification I expect people to know what an aoe marker is and not stand in it.

[Krotoan]

If there's no new player notification I expect people to know what an aoe marker is and not stand in it.

I can agree with that. However if someone did I probably would drop a quick "Careful of the orange telegraphs" rather than go on a tirade.

[Imora]

I can agree with that. However if someone did I probably would drop a quick "Careful of the orange telegraphs" rather than go on a tirade.

I don't go on a tirade, I just roll my eyes and complain in another channel about it if it's bad enough. I tend to not say anything unless they say something first, because asking someone to watch what they stand in tends to get people pissed off. For some reason. -_-

I tend to get the most... bad people in my groups, so I do roulettes with a group. And not just bad in performance, bad in attitude either in addition, or in replacement. It's not all the time, but I get them often enough that I don't like running content with randos.

[Krotoan]

I don't go on a tirade, I just roll my eyes and complain in another channel about it if it's bad enough. I tend to not say anything unless they say something first, because asking someone to watch what they stand in tends to get people pissed off. For some reason. -_-

I tend to get the most... bad people in my groups, so I do roulettes with a group. And not just bad in performance, bad in attitude either in addition, or in replacement. It's not all the time, but I get them often enough that I don't like running content with randos.

All of which is fair. And hopefully you also don't come onto the forums and demand people learn everything before getting in an instance. I won't ever go so far as to say everyone is receptive and wonderful. There's cruddy people in this game just like any other and the influx of players has made it more common to encounter them just through sheer numbers.

You are the one who argued on the basis that the claim is all new players are bad, despite no one saying that.

not said directly but this example given basically says a huge increase in players without increasing the "good" players. By extrapolation that means ONLY increasing the bad players:

If you have 50 people playing and 25 are good, then your average of good players is going to be increasingly different than if you have 500 players and 25 are good.

You also said that its in your own personal experience that people become unnecessarily rude while in the same post, claiming you do not assume.
Which is it? You make a lot of opposing statements. I’m going to bed while you sort out what your saying, instead of conflicting things you’ve previously said when it suits your agenda. Night

I said :

but it's been my experience that immediately after someone calls out "coddling" players they start to talk about how people attack them for criticizing those players in a harsh manner and/or immediately start to level unnecessarily rude or derogatory criticism demonstrating my point that they don't actually have a problem with other players needing to learn, but being mad they cannot denigrate or shame people into learning.

in response to:

Just because someone calls out the coddling of players doesn’t mean they want to “yell” at players who may be learning or not grasping something. But that’s the problem with the “they are doing fine” community. You assume any criticism is an attack instead of taking it as advice or clarification, or anything at face value.

and then:

I don't assume people are mad, I notice that the people who GET mad are the ones teaching in said "Blunt" or "matter of fact" methods. You don't need to sugar coat things, but you should probably use tact when dealing with unknown randoms. If you think bare minimum tact is unnecessary "inflation" then you're probably exactly who I am talking about.

in response to :

Again you go on about yelling and shaming. Not all criticism is yelling and shaming. Sometimes it’s blunt, but not everything has to be prettied up. In fact, I find the meaning and purpose get lost in translation when you inflate it with everything else. But you do you. Assume everyone’s just mad. Don’t allow advice to get passed along just because it’s not sugar coated, even if it’s not an attack.

The first says it reinforces the perception that they're mad they can't use their preferred derogatory tactics since they express frustration through FURTHER denigration.

The 2nd says I don't assume EVERYONE is just mad I observe the people who say things in "unsugared" ways are the ones who are quickest to GET PERCEPTIBLY MAD.


I don't see how you can think one relates to the other. Seeing people get mad, does not mean I assumed anything. None of that is opposing.

[Kolaina]

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I can say you come off angrier than a person simply being blunt. Your posts are argumentative. Your posts even come off as talking down to someone who disagrees with you. I don’t believe you have the solution when you yourself are struggling to communicate. But then, we are currently living in a generation that equates periods at the end of a sentence online to anger