The MSQ Endwalker Trial Bosses are WAY too hard for newer players to FFXIV

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

It already is easy. And you can't do content in single player games if you can't beat story bosses.


That's just how it works.

But then you're not reading this thread. Several people complained that it's too hard.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

But then you're not reading this thread. Several people complained that it's too hard.

It's not tho. Even the extremes aren't that difficult. I cleared ex1 with healers who hadn't done a single ex fight, 5 new people, all in a single 60 minute instance.

People just want to clear on 1 pull with no issues ever. That's not "hard" that's playing a game.....

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

It's not tho. Even the extremes aren't that difficult.

People just want to clear on 1 pull with no issues ever. That's not "hard" that's playing a game.....

Seriously, I'd be fine with a boss you can just oneshot. Better yet, put a button there to skip the fight, watch a cutscene,. problem solved.

I'm talking about story mode here. Not gameplay. This doesn't take anything away from the playable content, normal trials are only relevant for MSQ progress, and nothing else. All the loot is elsewhere.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Seriously, I'd be fine with a boss you can just oneshot. Better yet, put a button there to skip the fight, watch a cutscene,. problem solved.

I'm talking about story mode here. Not gameplay. This doesn't take anything away from the playable content, normal trials are only relevant for MSQ progress, and nothing else. All the loot is elsewhere.

That's what YouTube is for then, if they don't want to play the game, there's avenues to watch it. This is a game. I love the story but come on.

Only in xiv does "it's a story mode" mean "I shouldn't have to do anything to see the story"

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

That's what YouTube is for then, if they don't want to play the game, there's avenues to watch it. This is a game. I love the story but come on.

Some people play this like an interactive movie or book, and why not?
Seriously, this is treading on "you have to play the game the way I say" territory.

I won't convince you, you won't convince me, and that's cool. I've said my thing, and I'm sure anyone who read this understands my point, no matter if they agree or not... so I reached my goal.

[Kokonji]

hmm, if not for the fight, i believe they are playing for economics reason..?
crafting, gathering, selling, and such, basically hoarding gil..?

then, just go in a premade party, and let 7 other clear it..?
I believe missing just one party member is still doable.. (as in barely alive for the entire fight)
just give some compensation or something for them for the hassle.. (one or two million gil shouldn't be hard for this type of player right ?)
that way they will still see it as an "interactive movie" and still continue the content,
and the friends have a compensation to get, win-win

and i believe this is not against ToS, as it is an offer of compensation for a clear, not a selling a clear...

or if don't have any gil to spare, just... I dunno, call for 7 other fc members or friends to help..?
no fc or friends as well..? damn, i have no idea the situation is so dire..
perhaps... uhm... shouting and begging for clear in limsa or uldah could help..? (oh this could be an rp opportunity!)

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Seriously, I'd be fine with a boss you can just oneshot. Better yet, put a button there to skip the fight, watch a cutscene,. problem solved.

I'm talking about story mode here. Not gameplay. This doesn't take anything away from the playable content, normal trials are only relevant for MSQ progress, and nothing else. All the loot is elsewhere.

What's the difference between pressing a button to skip and just watching a movie. You're not even playing the game at that point. YouTube is a thing then, why waste the subscription fee?

This is the same mentality where people today find NES games hard, where others who grew up with them look at these people in bafflement. Yeah, sure some things are hard without practice, but good game design is teaching the player without a billion tutorial windows popping up spoonfeeding them information. Older games that had technical limits couldn't do the spoonfed tutorial pop ups, so they taught the player via conveyance. A good video to watch on that subject is Egoraptor's Sequelitis on Megaman X. It's interesting food for thought.

Point is, XIV does this type of conveyance. It often shows a boss mechanic in a solo, easily controlled instance. One mechanic after another, so people can see and understand them before it starts mixing and matching. The game is attempting to TEACH the player. The fact that people are so against learning is literally just pure laziness. I'm sorry, but I don't think you and I will ever agree on this point.

If someone doesn't want to learn and wants a free ride, watch a story compilation video on youtube. There's no point in paying for the sub if that's what they want.

[Rinhi]

But then you're not reading this thread. Several people complained that it's too hard.

the problem lies with the people, not the difficulty of the trial