Dear warriors, sincerely healers

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

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Interesting.
Perhaps it's DC? For me it's super rare to find healers who do not want to heal AND dps in DF contents (I've grown a bit tired of posting my stories in TfDF thread lol). It's usually the trigger happy healbot that gets into my parties, and these healers usually ignores whatever self sustainability their tanks have.

Seen a PLD hallowed? Means no damage taken, but what is AoE anyway? Cure II/Adlo/Benefic II/E.Diagnosis away!
That WAR trying to make use of their Bloodwhetting? Nope! Can't let that happen! Stack those regens and shields!
The DRG accidentally eat a red carpet? Oh look they're popping Bloodbath. But I can heal better! Here's Cure III!

The list goes on... but you get the idea.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Interesting.
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I have no idea if it's my data center, royally bad luck, or what. My friends have noticed it too. My healer buddy who mains AST, when he runs without me, sees a *slew* of awful tanks that don't use a single mitigation at all. So the shoe absolutely also goes on the other foot.

Maybe I just need to level a few DPS jobs for a bit for my sanity. I've never, ever seen DF this hostile before in my two years of playing. I've gotten tired of posting my stories in the Duty Finder thread at all.

Still, to be back on topic, I know the healer DPS rotation is boring as all sin, but still... You'd think they'd be happy for a relatively smooth and quick run for their tomestones. I see topics constantly berating people for going slower, not wall to wall pulling, or other ridiculous things as "holding people hostage" with doing smaller pulls. Nightmare runs of constant wipes...

But then here I am, watching runs where I'm tanking, and DPS HP's getting lower and lower, and healers just sitting there snoozing. Healers eating mechanics left and right and being the first ones dead. Healers getting downright nasty sometimes in party chat with me or the DPS for being self sufficient. So what is it, really, that healers want?

Like, what would be the winning scenario here? Do healers want all tank self-healing removed and make us completely dependent on healers, again? Because if that happens, with the quality of runs I've been having... I'd be dead on first pull. No questions asked. Floor tanking with the best dragoons.

[Hanaya]

Either you're lucky enough and the DF god had blessed you, or you're running with your mate, or you're straight up lying. If your experience is the typical out there, we wouldn't have all of those threads in the first 2 weeks asking if Healer had got neft or healing had become harder.

Like I said, I got 8 healer up to 90 (spread among 4 char). Yeah, there are some tank that made me forgot half of my kits, there are tanks that make wish all my heal has double potency. And the former are the exception, the later is the norm. I just got out of an A2 raid that last for a whole freaking 20 minutes where there were more deaths than there were people in the party.






And if a college student go pick up a middle school problem, solve it and complain it's too easy ... I bet that would look silly too.

I mean ... I have an ultimate static, and when I play with them with current contents it's easy. 'cause it's supposed to be easy. Do you know why it needs to be easy? Because I had to run Zodiak 99 times since I had bad luck with rolls. Savage is harder, that's why it's designed you only need to clear it once a week. Then there come Ultimate in which, I know a lot of group after their first clear never try to attempt it again. My group despite cleared several time, but after each clear the next one was never taken for granted. That's the kind of content that will push your kit to its limit.

On the flip side, playing with pugs also push your kit to its limit too, in a total different way. In the end, it would be insanity for them to create farmable content like dungeon or EX that requires perfection to clear, neither they can gatekeep the kit for only ultimate. The classes are balance with the average players in mind, not just a few with their first world problem. This goes double for healers, a role that is there to provide the margin for the group.

I've been playing since midway through shadowbringers (and like.... 150+ days of gametime playing), and healing has literally felt like I barely ever have to heal outside of savage, especially compared to every other mmo I've played. I'm pretty sure statistically it is very hard for me to just have gotten lucky in every single duty roulette I've done in that time, and I do a lot of them solo (and when I do queue with friends, it's them on dps using me for a fast queue, so I don't think that's making much of a difference outside of the time it takes to kill a mob pack).

But like, seriously, I'm not asking for the class to be harder. I think it's at a fine spot for the average player. I just want it to be more engaging. Casting glare/malefic/broil/whatever sage's ability is called bc I forgot over and over again is just really boring considering how much more healers are expected to dps in this game.

[millktea]

Doubt it\\'d happen though. They already had great heals in ShB, and they decided to give em some more anyway.

Warrior being OP isn't the problem. Dungeons doing no damage is.

Only a good warrior would have this problem that's being spoken of.

Yes, war somewhat always had these heals but also not. It's been standardized, so its based on gcd weaponskills rather than damage which required a big hit (such as IC), so a less skilled war wasnt going to heal much and sometimes not at all bc they used raw....

This didnt even matter in a raid setting. Gunbreaker heals are strong. No one is asking for nerfs. Clemency with req. is extremely powerful since SB. No one asking for nerfs. Because its warrior, people cry for nerfs.

Warrior kinda needed stronger heals to be valid, yet they aren't that valid as healers are powerful so it really makes no difference healing. Only in a dungeon does this matter much.

Warriors dps is too low. The tanks aren't balanced, but people being distracted about them war heals. All tanks can heal... dark heal? Lmao... nope.

I've soloed on 3/4 tanks. Only dark knight couldn't really do it.

With adjustments, just now "bad players" can heal so now it seems op. Imo, nascent was too weak in ShB, so this was needed.

Now actually give me 3 onslaughts and make the dps equal.

[Isutowaru]

No, I will use Nascent on the monkeys taking damage and there's nothing you can do about it!

[DiaDeem]

Huh? What's next? A DPS asking Healers/Tanks to "Please stop doing damage, it's the only thing that prevents me from falling asleep"?

As a Healer main, I disagree with OP.

[Nerfworthy]

Eh. As a healer main it doesn't bother me. I appreciate everyone using their full kit no matter what.

[Denji]

I mean. If I see someone with more than one vuln stack, at half their health and shake it off is on cooldown while the boss is about to use a room-wide AOE or stack marker? Then I'm gonna throw Nascent Flash on them last second and you can't stop me.

It's not even a GCD so I can pop it between things. I main both Healer and Tank for my FC and when we run extreme/savage content, nobody's complained. We successfully clear things. If you want something to try and chew people out for how about you chew out our fellow healers for ignoring their DoTs, or scholars for ignoring things like Recitation or Tanks for stepping out of the various floor AoEs put down by DPS/heals whether they be damage over time, or a shield/regen. This is such an absurd non-issue.

[Shibi]

...So what is it, really, that healers want?....
...Do healers want all tank self-healing removed and make us completely dependent on healers, again?...

Like with Twitter, don't fall into the trap of thinking a few noisy people represent the entirety of healers.

As a SGE main, GNB secondary, what I want are nice and friendly people in Dungeons who are willing to give to the best of their skill, plus a tank who can position nicely and use their cooldowns properly.

I'm cool with a little help healing, doesn't worry me at all.

[Lunalepsy]

Please stop healing other people in dungeons. Extremes sure! Savage, lovely! I don’t mind that you can keep yourself healed, that’s to be expected from warriors at this point. But please please let healers heal the group. The only thing we have that keeps us from falling asleep are those lovely DPS who get hit by mechanics.. I get that’s it’s free but look, at least you have your dps rotation to keep you occupied. We healers literally spam one single button. Let us have something else to do. Please, please, please stop healing the party.

Thank u

Why? I love when things like this break the holy trinity. Keep on healing!