Let's talk about Zenos *****Spoilers******

[Krotoan]

He isn't a battle maniac because there are far to many moments he decides to not fight the WoL because he recognizes the WoL has responsibilities to the world to save it.

He isn't stopping because he recognizes the WoL's responsibilities as important in general. He understands that the WoL THINKS these are the most important thing right now and WON'T be able to focus on their fight.

He doesn't care about anything other than a "true" fight and is willing to wait , or even help remove obstacles to that fight.

[Neotempest]

He isn't stopping because he recognizes the WoL's responsibilities as important in general. He understands that the WoL THINKS these are the most important thing right now and WON'T be able to focus on their fight.

He doesn't care about anything other than a "true" fight and is willing to wait , or even help remove obstacles to that fight.

I agree, but how many battle maniacs do you know that fit the, "Well, I'll just stop here cause you aren't gonna give me attention right now and i'll just wait my turn sometime in the future"? The fact he does this is just weird as a battle maniac who cares only for fighting.

[OtakuSempai]

I think Zenos exemplifies the theme of the expansion quite well. Finding what gives your life meaning and purpose, even if its arbitrary and has no place in the context of everything else.

Zenos found his in challenging us, even though it seemed pointless to us and other characters given the gravity of what was going on. I think that's the point of his character, to highlight the fact that we all have things that drive us to keep on living, no matter how asinine, despite the fact that we're merely hairless apes on a pale blue dot that will eventually be consumed by an average sized star in a universe that will continually expand into cold black everlasting darkness.

[MilkieTea]

I agree, but how many battle maniacs do you know that fit the, "Well, I'll just stop here cause you aren't gonna give me attention right now and i'll just wait my turn sometime in the future"? The fact he does this is just weird as a battle maniac who cares only for fighting.

He didn't only care for fighting. He only cared for fighting *you*. And that's the big difference. Once he met you, he found his match, and he was willing to do ANYTHING to have a true battle. Even if that meant removing any pesky distractions, or waiting for months or even years. He wanted a fight to the death, and he knew that if you were distracted, you weren't going to give that to him.

[Neotempest]

He didn't only care for fighting. He only cared for fighting *you*. And that's the big difference. Once he met you, he found his match, and he was willing to do ANYTHING to have a true battle. Even if that meant removing any pesky distractions, or waiting for months or even years. He wanted a fight to the death, and he knew that if you were distracted, you weren't going to give that to him.

I thought that too. But remember all the way back in Stormblood. How he "lived" for the moments of sparks flying. He didn't care who gave it to him as long as someone did. If so then it didn't matter if it was the WoL or someone else who is potentially as strong. The reason I believe he focused only on the WoL was because he saw the WoL as a friend.

[MilkieTea]

I thought that too. But remember all the way back in Stormblood. How he "lived" for the moments of sparks flying. He didn't care who gave it to him as long as someone did. If so then it didn't matter if it was the WoL or someone else who is potentially as strong. The reason I believe he focused only on the WoL was because he saw the WoL as a friend.

I'm not going off of conjecture. He says as much in EW - he only has eyes for you because he found his match. The sparks wouldn't fly otherwise. He wanted a true battle with YOU because you were the only one who could give him a challenge. And that doesn't mean that others wouldn't have the same level of strength, but it's moreso about what YOU bring to the battle. He doesn't care for others because he wants to fight YOU to the death. What other motive SHOULD he have?

[Neotempest]

I'm not going off of conjecture. He says as much in EW - he only has eyes for you because he found his match. The sparks wouldn't fly otherwise. He wanted a true battle with YOU because you were the only one who could give him a challenge. And that doesn't mean that others wouldn't have the same level of strength, but it's moreso about what YOU bring to the battle. He doesn't care for others because he wants to fight YOU to the death. What other motive SHOULD he have?

I agree, it's how I thought before. I paid attention to what he said before we fought him. After we fought him though, there was no elation from Zenos. He wasn't happy about the thing we said he should be happy about. It's why I recommend watching his final scene again after the fight. He fought, but his state of mind was far from being happy he fought. He was lamenting his mental condition at the end. What battle maniac laments about the thing he wanted? Unless it wasn't what he honestly needed.

Let me add a little more. We know of popular battle maniacs, that are evil and selfish for a fight. Like Cell or Vegeta during their first appearance. Think about how each one would react if Goku just told them. "Hey, I got a bigger responsibility on the side right now to save the planet. Can we postpone out fight right now?" This just never happens. Goku fought Majin Vegeta when the world was on the line to settle their personal dispute. Cell put their fight on hold, "but" there was a time limit on that and you know cell would not delay that any longer. Nevermind that there was no other focus then Cell. Do you believe with Cells battle maniac character, similar on how we are trying to sell Zenos, that if something else came along Cell would postpone his tournament even longer? You know Cell wouldn't, so why did Zenos?

[Abomination713]

Zeno's can't die since he can body hop and we didn't destroy his soul or capture it. I guess SE forgot that as it completely ruins the final fight and impact of it once you remember this. Lets not forget that Garlemald has cloning technology so Zeno's can always have another body of his ready to swap to (as Emet-Selch did). He'll be back in the 6.1 as some big surprise.

[Hysorn]

I agree, but how many battle maniacs do you know that fit the, "Well, I'll just stop here cause you aren't gonna give me attention right now and i'll just wait my turn sometime in the future"? The fact he does this is just weird as a battle maniac who cares only for fighting.

Goku lol




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[Neotempest]

Goku lol




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Hope you aren't talking about dragonball cause his fight againt Majin Vegeta says otherwise.