Jobs and Class, I am nervous now.

[Wynn]

The problem is that the questions are not logical when based on information that is not credible.

As for his main concerns, about BLM not being any different/better than THM, they have already answered that in the job system notes by stating that jobs will have different parameters from classes. We know they aren't going to be the same, and judging by the role that BLM is meant to fill, there's nowhere to go but up.

Again we come up to the brick wall I'm trying to pound through. His assumptions are no less valid than yours. Stop saying his questions aren't valid. Who are you to even say that? Unless you know 100 percent positive you are right, which you admit you may not be, you don't have any good reason to say his questions are not logical. They are quite logical.

[Wynn]

I never said it was fact anywhere, you illogically assumed it. I was just providing evidence that expecting the video to have accurate numbers is illogical. You decided to add in fact to the mix.

Wow...

That's all I can really say to you.

[NoctisUmbra]

Again we come up to the brick wall I'm trying to pound through. His assumptions are no less valid than yours. Stop saying his questions aren't valid. Who are you to even say that? Unless you know 100 percent positive you are right, which you admit you may not be, you don't have any good reason to say his questions are not logical. They are quite logical.

What am I assuming? I'm not assuming anything, but you seem to think I am, so I ask you: what am I assuming?

Also I didn't say his questions aren't valid. I said they aren't logical because they are based on information that is very likely not valid.

His questions have been answered by the way. I don't see Jinko posting any more questions, so what are you doing?

[Starlord]

Just 2... Blasted days.. are you that impatient? Can you let this stupid thread die already.. Patch is around the cornor.. weather its true are false we will know the answers Thursday for USA =/.

[Wynn]

What am I assuming? I'm not assuming anything, but you seem to think I am, so I ask you: what am I assuming?

Also I didn't say his questions aren't valid. I said they aren't logical because they are based on information that is very likely not valid.

His questions have been answered by the way. I don't see Jinko posting any more questions, so what are you doing?

You keep saying that you are not assuming, but then you turn around and say his questions are not valid (and yes you did outright say his questions were invalid. Multiple times. I can quote you if you like). How can you make that claim without basing it on your assumption he's wrong cause we both know you don't know the facts either.

Also, his questions have not been answered. Just a bunch of forum goers that think they know everything piping up at him and anyone else in this thread who questions anything.

What I'm doing is trying to explain to you why your view point is flawed and perhaps make people think twice about jumping on someone in this forum simply because they have an opinion that just might not be 100 percent in favor of XIV or SE.

Obviously, I'm stupid for trying to do so.

[Reaujien]

OP looked at the info, inferred information from it, asked questions. People informed him that the information in that video is not credible and demonstrated how there is very reasonable doubt over its validity and suggested he wait a couple more days until the patch hits.

Definitely hit the nail right on the head bro.

[NoctisUmbra]

You keep saying that you are not assuming, but then you turn around and say his questions are not valid (and yes you did outright say his questions were invalid. Multiple times. I can quote you if you like). How can you make that claim without basing it on your assumption he's wrong cause we both know you don't know the facts either.

Also, his questions have not been answered. Just a bunch of forum goers that think they know everything piping up at him and anyone else in this thread who questions anything.

What I'm doing is trying to explain to you why your view point is flawed and perhaps make people think twice about jumping on someone in this forum simply because they have an opinion that just might not be 100 percent in favor of XIV or SE.

Obviously, I'm stupid for trying to do so.

OP wasn't jumped for asking questions.

OP looked at the info, inferred information from it, asked questions. People informed him that the information in that video is not credible and demonstrated how there is very reasonable doubt over its validity and suggested he wait a couple more days until the patch hits.

^ That is what has happened.

You've been tons more argumentative than Jinko, yet you somehow take on this notion that you're defending him from us.

He doesn't need it. You've just come into this thread and stirred things up.

We'd all be happy if for some reason the community reps came by and threw more info at us.
The difference is, there's nothing that's very time sensitive and unbelievably important that they can tell us instead of having us wait 2 days to try it out. We know all the general information and differences between classes and jobs. We know what to expect from their AF. We know that they will have different attribute builds. We even know enough to plan our action bars on them. That's why we don't expect anything.

[Wynn]

The OP most certainly was jumped and anyone that can read can see that just by looking at the thread.

Also, I didn't realize that injecting logic into a forum thread was argumentative.

Considering that you were one trying to blatantly insult me instead of having a civil conversation, I'd say you're the one being argumentative. Look in the mirror, please.

Also, I never said I'm defending the poster. However, I am defending his post against the notion that somehow his questions are dumb, invalid, complaining, or whatever else one of you claimed in this thread. Same offenders, different thread and day.

[NoctisUmbra]

The OP most certainly was jumped and anyone that can read can see that just by looking at the thread.

Also, I didn't realize that injecting logic into a forum thread was argumentative.

Considering that you were one trying to blatantly insult me instead of having a civil conversation, I'd say you're the one being argumentative. Look in the mirror, please.

Also, I never said I'm defending the poster. However, I am defending his post against the notion that somehow his questions are dumb, invalid, complaining, or whatever else one of you claimed in this thread. Same offenders, different thread and day.

I tried to reason with you. I was quite civilized. Then you started deflecting and avoiding my questions, and showed unbelievable perseverance in not understanding the difference between reasonable doubt and assumption. Page after page others as well as myself mentioned the information in the video is under scrutiny, and isn't trustworthy and you took this as us assuming that the information is wrong (explicitly stated this multiple times) and argued with us based on this single misunderstanding.

Go back pages before our back and forth and you can see for yourself I haven't attacked Jinko, and have honestly responded to his posts.

[Wynn]

I tried to reason with you. I was quite civilized. Then you started deflecting and avoiding my questions, and showed unbelievable perseverance in not understanding the difference between reasonable doubt and assumption. Page after page others as well as myself mentioned the information in the video is under scrutiny, and isn't trustworthy and you took this as us assuming that the information is wrong (explicitly stated this multiple times) and argued with us based on this single misunderstanding.

Go back pages before our back and forth and you can see for yourself I haven't attacked Jinko, and have honestly responded to his posts.

I never said you personally attacked him. However some posters in this thread did. You just happened to end up in the fold because of your statement that his questions were invalid which I completely disagree with for all the reasons I've posted up until now.

I've also directly responded to most of what you've said. The only things I haven't responded to were things that didn't need a response because they are so glaringly obvious that you were either trolling or hadn't actually read the thread you are posting in.