Jobs and Class, I am nervous now.

[Shiggysonson]

Anyways... getting back on topic....

Since the job system is designed to improve party play I think it's best to look at the whole system instead of one piece of the system. (Like how survivability of each DD job may be low, but white mages and paladins can cover that weakness.) That's probably why it's not making sense. I mean comparing one job and one class from two systems with different purposes probably wasn't a good idea in the first place.

[Lux_Rayna]

Again, asking questions based on logical inference =/= complaining. There is a gargantuan difference and it would benefit you greatly to learn what that difference is.

It is *not* a logical inference at all for various glaring and obvious reasons. I would think someone as smart and logical as you could see it.

1) The BLM in question was in THM gear, not job-specific gear. As it stands, that would be a very logical reason why its dmg output was similar to THM. Unless you want to tell me that jobs change stats (which hasnt be said anywhere as far as I know), there is *nothing* to worry about.

2) The video in question was not set up to display damage output. It was to display casting/spell cancel. As a result, it is rather silly to glean information from a video devoted to an entirely different purpose. There are a number of factors that could explain that dmg output, and since dmg was not the purpose of the video, it is *logical* to refrain from making any calculations based on the dmg displayed.

3) Past precedent (as has been said) dictates that dmg displayed in videos is never consistent with the live patch. It would be *logical* then to assume that this patch is no different.

Really, the OP was not operating on logic at all. If he sat and thought about it for a few seconds, he could reasonably conclude that he video was not an accurate representation of BLM dmg, at the very least because BLM did not have its job-specific gear. I bet DRG do similar dmg to my LNC if it was wearing all of my LNC gear. Duh.

[Isaaru]

Oh what's logical about taking the very information the developers give us about game content, have good faith that they aren't lying or trolling us with false representations, and then ask the questions that naturally result from absorbing said information. I just have no idea... You got me. I'm completely stumped. You win the thread.

The video is about spell casting interruption, not damage. It seems you and the OP cannot get that through your heads. If the video was about damage on the new jobs then everyone would be fine with this thread, but it's not. The damage in the video is irrelevant.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Oh what's logical about taking the very information the developers give us about game content, have good faith that they aren't lying or trolling us with false representations, and then ask the questions that naturally result from absorbing said information. I just have no idea... You got me. I'm completely stumped. You win the thread.

The video was made to show /facetarget cast interruption system. Damage formulas and even recast timers have never been accurate in video previews. Usually the videos are recorded outside of the finalization stages and are rarely ever finished. This is always the case and always been the case.

The video wasn't specifically saying "Look at the dmg on this spell and the high recast or lack of recast on these spells". It was only saying, "Hey, look at spell interruption and /facetarget". You just are not looking at what was intended to be seen. When common sense should tell you that it's going to be inaccurate and different upon release.

[Shiggysonson]

It is *not* a logical inference at all for various glaring and obvious reasons. I would think someone as smart and logical as you could see it.

1) The BLM in question was in THM gear, not job-specific gear. As it stands, that would be a very logical reason why its dmg output was similar to THM. Unless you want to tell me that jobs change stats (which hasnt be said anywhere as far as I know), there is *nothing* to worry about.

2) The video in question was not set up to display damage output. It was to display casting/spell cancel. As a result, it is rather silly to glean information from a video devoted to an entirely different purpose. There are a number of factors that could explain that dmg output, and since dmg was not the purpose of the video, it is *logical* to refrain from making any calculations based on the dmg displayed.

3) Past precedent (as has been said) dictates that dmg displayed in videos is never consistent with the live patch. It would be *logical* then to assume that this patch is no different.

Really, the OP was not operating on logic at all. If he sat and thought about it for a few seconds, he could reasonably conclude that he video was not an accurate representation of BLM dmg, at the very least because BLM did not have its job-specific gear. I bet DRG do similar dmg to my LNC if it was wearing all of my LNC gear. Duh.

Actually I think it was said that stats would change when you switch to a job.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

The video is about spell casting interruption, not damage. It seems you and the OP cannot get that through your heads. If the video was about damage on the new jobs then everyone would be fine with this thread, but it's not. The damage in the video is irrelevant.

The video was made to show /facetarget cast interruption system. Damage formulas and even recast timers have never been accurate in video previews. Usually the videos are recorded outside of the finalization stages and are rarely ever finished. This is always the case and always been the case.

The video wasn't specifically saying "Look at the dmg on this spell and the high recast or lack of recast on these spells". It was only saying, "Hey, look at spell interruption and /facetarget". You just are not looking at what was intended to be seen. When common sense should tell you that it's going to be inaccurate and different upon release.

This is what happens when you're twins.

[Wynn]

Steps to seeing its not " False Representation":

- Read Title of Video ( Spell-casting Interruptions) <--- Example
- Watch with your Viewing Pleasures ( about Spell-Casting Interruptions)
- Nothing else about that Video IS correct BUT the Spell-Casting Interruptions)

Case Closed, Next please!

Here's something for you to chew on and I truly hope that you do rattle it around in the noggin for a bit.

You assume that, just because the purpose of the video was to highlight a new feature, that the concerns OP posts are invalid due to your belief that it might not be showing BLM doing the kind of damage they will really do when the patch hits.

Completely an assumption on your part and in no way based on any evidence what-so-ever.

You are then using this assumption to make an argument that the OP should not make an argument based on his assumption that it might be accurately depicting what BLM can do.

Are you able to see the hypocrisy in this?

[Starlord]

Here's something for you to chew on and I truly hope that you do rattle it around in the noggin for a bit.

You assume that, just because the purpose of the video was to highlight a new feature, that the concerns OP posts are invalid due to your belief that it might not be showing BLM doing the kind of damage they will really do when the patch hits.

Completely an assumption on your part and in no way based on any evidence what-so-ever.

You are then using this assumption to make an argument that the OP should not make an argument based on his assumption that it might be accurately depicting what BLM can do.

Are you able to see the hypocrisy in this?

And you still fail to see Previous Videos weren't 100% accurate, and its always what they "want" to show" Namely Spell casting Interruptions is all they wanted to show.. 8k Damage on Darkhold eye? get real 140 dmg on iffy with a regular it.. are you losing it? I'm done with this conversation as its idiotic to continue something we haven't even tried yet.

[Reaujien]

This is what happens when you're twins.

Nooooo.... it's what happens when reason is allowed to flurish....

like sweet dew on a lush meadow...

like the relationship between a puppy and a small child...

like the hard-boiled egg in a pot of boiling water....

like a Power Ranger metamorphasizing into the super hero...

like slow-churned heavy cream into ice cream.... (or gelatto - or h/e you spell it)

[NoctisUmbra]

If you need to even ask this question you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

I manage a thread that's based entirely on questions about the job system. It's been around for months and had multiple dev responses. I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to jobs, what's been answered, and what we don't yet know.

Speaking of questions, way to avoid mine lol. Can't even give a straight answer yourself.

Oh what's logical about taking the very information the developers give us about game content, have good faith that they aren't lying or trolling us with false representations, and then ask the questions that naturally result from absorbing said information. I just have no idea... You got me. I'm completely stumped. You win the thread.

They posted a video that gave information about spell cancelling. Yoshi P also posted 2 walls of text to explain in further detail the mechanics behind the movement-based spell cancelling and the /facetarget feature. That video was very accurate in that regard.

This very same video, that the OP is basing almost everything he says on, had no intention of accurately displaying the damage capabilities of BLM. Anything quantitative in that video is subject to change. Furthermore, every video SE has released pior to a patch that shows content has had inaccurate numbers when it comes to damage done/taken. This has been repeatedly mentioned by people posting in this thread, and is more than enough to discount any credibility the damage values of the spellcasting video have. Sleep wasn't even running on a cooldown. It's very clearly being played in a sort of dev mode.

In conclusion, the spellcasting video was very accurate when it came to displaying spellcasting changes. As a bonus, we got to see he animation for Burst, as well as the new icon on the action bar that indicates if we are moving or not. Anything beyond that is subject to change and was irrelevant for the purpose of that video therefore did not need to be accurate.

SE is only trolling you with false representations if they claim they are showing you one thing, but then show it inaccurately. They did not claim that video showed the offensive abilities of BLM.