Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

[Brandedblade]

Have you actually tested your claims? Do you have anything to cite that confirms this? I don't think you do.

If you did you'd know that The Dead End Peacekeeper's Elimination tank buster hits for 50k+ on a caster without mitigation. As AST I can survive one with literally everything on myself. I can't survive two back to back because I need both Neutral Sect and CI to survive the hit+auto or I just get one shot.

Source to confirm

Twist and argue my words all you want, just stop spreading your lies as gospel. Thanks

I actually did tank that boss on my sage after my tank friend ate too many mechanics and died (it was his first time) so anything is possible.

[Sebazy]

I actually did tank that boss on my sage after my tank friend ate too many mechanics and died (it was his first time) so anything is possible.

Ya, I'm pretty sure SCH could comfortably handle it with Soil, Adlo and Protraction as well.

To be clear, my point wasn't that healers outright can't do it, rather that it needs a good amount of mitigation. At least more than I can do every 60 seconds as AST.

[FoxCh40s]

Ya, I'm pretty sure SCH could comfortably handle it with Soil, Adlo and Protraction as well.

To be clear, my point wasn't that healers outright can't do it, rather that it needs a good amount of mitigation. At least more than I can do every 60 seconds as AST.

Hey Sebazy, question for you, if you don't mind?

What do think will honestly happen with the future of Healers? Do you think it'll get worse before it gets better? Or they'll just continue to ignore and dismiss it outright?

[Halfgeeek]

Well said and this mirrors my thoughts.

For how much we meme on WoW these days, their encounter and healer/tank design is top notch and SE would do well to emulate it.

Highly subjective.

I came from WoW.

Their encounter designs are uninspired and have been for a long time.

The only thing true in your statement, is that auto attacks from bosses are high damage, requiring a healer to be on constant tank duty. But you have to factor into their larger groups in raids and how aoe heals work.

Some healers want to be constantly busy with healing requirements like in other MMOs, I too am one of this mindset. But this game's healing requirement isn't like this... unless you pug hard content, early on in the patch cycle, before everyone knows the strats and over-gear the content.

[Corbeau]

Comparisons to WoW are always problematic because WoW has changed drastically over the years.

Legion healing kicked ass though.

[Sebazy]

Hey Sebazy, question for you, if you don't mind?

What do think will honestly happen with the future of Healers? Do you think it'll get worse before it gets better? Or they'll just continue to ignore and dismiss it outright?

IMHO:

I think they will stay the course for multiple reasons.

Yoshida appears to prefer to keep a smaller more efficient team. A radical overhaul of the game would need a serious recruitment spree and neither Yoshida nor SE's bean counters have shown that that's something they want to pursue.

The game is successful therefore the recipe is working... right? It's pretty easy for a developer to fall into the trap of being almost arrogant about their own game, doubly so when it's big of a success story on all accounts as FFXIV has turned into over the years. Yoshida has shown signs of this over the years right from ARR's launch with the Warrior debacle.

Will things ever change? The way I see it it'll take either WoW having an ARR style rebirth of its own or some other competitor coming out of the blue to steal the momentum away from FFXIV. That'll trigger the inevitable next gen MMO from SE with FFXIV getting handed over to a fresh young team in the same way FFXI was. What we'll get out of that is anyone's guess but I'd expect some shake ups to drag more life out of the old game.

[Deceptus]

IMHO:

I think they will stay the course for multiple reasons.

Yoshida appears to prefer to keep a smaller more efficient team. A radical overhaul of the game would need a serious recruitment spree and neither Yoshida nor SE's bean counters have shown that that's something they want to pursue.

The game is successful therefore the recipe is working... right? It's pretty easy for a developer to fall into the trap of being almost arrogant about their own game, doubly so when it's big of a success story on all accounts as FFXIV has turned into over the years. Yoshida has shown signs of this over the years right from ARR's launch with the Warrior debacle.

Will things ever change? The way I see it it'll take either WoW having an ARR style rebirth of its own or some other competitor coming out of the blue to steal the momentum away from FFXIV. That'll trigger the inevitable next gen MMO from SE with FFXIV getting handed over to a fresh young team in the same way FFXI was. What we'll get out of that is anyone's guess but I'd expect some shake ups to drag more life out of the old game.

Basically: Not until the next FF MMO is released.

[FoxCh40s]

IMHO:

I think they will stay the course for multiple reasons.

Yoshida appears to prefer to keep a smaller more efficient team. A radical overhaul of the game would need a serious recruitment spree and neither Yoshida nor SE's bean counters have shown that that's something they want to pursue.

The game is successful therefore the recipe is working... right? It's pretty easy for a developer to fall into the trap of being almost arrogant about their own game, doubly so when it's big of a success story on all accounts as FFXIV has turned into over the years. Yoshida has shown signs of this over the years right from ARR's launch with the Warrior debacle.

Will things ever change? The way I see it it'll take either WoW having an ARR style rebirth of its own or some other competitor coming out of the blue to steal the momentum away from FFXIV. That'll trigger the inevitable next gen MMO from SE with FFXIV getting handed over to a fresh young team in the same way FFXI was. What we'll get out of that is anyone's guess but I'd expect some shake ups to drag more life out of the old game.

Appreciate your thoughts as always.

[EaMett]

IMHO:

I think they will stay the course for multiple reasons.

Yoshida appears to prefer to keep a smaller more efficient team. A radical overhaul of the game would need a serious recruitment spree and neither Yoshida nor SE's bean counters have shown that that's something they want to pursue.

The game is successful therefore the recipe is working... right? It's pretty easy for a developer to fall into the trap of being almost arrogant about their own game, doubly so when it's big of a success story on all accounts as FFXIV has turned into over the years. Yoshida has shown signs of this over the years right from ARR's launch with the Warrior debacle.

Will things ever change? The way I see it it'll take either WoW having an ARR style rebirth of its own or some other competitor coming out of the blue to steal the momentum away from FFXIV. That'll trigger the inevitable next gen MMO from SE with FFXIV getting handed over to a fresh young team in the same way FFXI was. What we'll get out of that is anyone's guess but I'd expect some shake ups to drag more life out of the old game.

My copium take is that their design philosophy is probably working for them especially well because of the influx of new players. But if these players stick and get better, they'll need to do something about healers. They've already acknowledged that healers were bored, I just don't think they fully grasp why. I'm hoping that given a bit of time they'll figure it out. With that said, Misery not having its potency adjusted smells a lot of OG lilies.

[Aword3213]

Basically: Not until the next FF MMO is released.

I have high hopes for Lost Ark to steal the crown, but first they need to deal with their localization disaster