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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shookbeast View Post
    I wonder if this will link up to the source’s post-sundering 1/14 Azem copy? There’s the secret message on the Crystal to contend with… and there could be tons of ways for the 1/14 Azem to get to the moon right after the sundering.
    After doing the recent Studium quests, I don't think this will link to Azem. The Studium quests heavily hint to problems with the Lifestream after Zodiark's death. If those problems were back during the Ancients time and Azem noticed it originally, then perhaps the 2nd Main Story of the game will delve into that problem along with Azem. Perhaps a time travel at some point during the storyline would have us meet the original Azem and explain to them what's going on, which would actually fill in the blanks. It would explain why they'd know about Pandaemonium, why they ignored Venat, everything. We literally told ourselves the problem that needed to be gone after, that the issue with Zodiark and Venat didn't need to be touched, and Azem, trusting us/themselves immensely, rushed towards discovering the solution to the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    After doing the recent Studium quests, I don't think this will link to Azem. The Studium quests heavily hint to problems with the Lifestream after Zodiark's death. If those problems were back during the Ancients time and Azem noticed it originally, then perhaps the 2nd Main Story of the game will delve into that problem along with Azem. Perhaps a time travel at some point during the storyline would have us meet the original Azem and explain to them what's going on, which would actually fill in the blanks. It would explain why they'd know about Pandaemonium, why they ignored Venat, everything. We literally told ourselves the problem that needed to be gone after, that the issue with Zodiark and Venat didn't need to be touched, and Azem, trusting us/themselves immensely, rushed towards discovering the solution to the problem.
    This is beginning to feel right to me. It’s possible we’ll find out Azem (or us as Azem) was bopping around all over the place setting up safeguards and post-sundering plans. There’s something interesting about being able to suddenly make 14 of something - and then spread that 14 somethings across 14 difficult to reach spots.

    I’m still concerned for the well-fair/state of mind of Azem post-sundering. I’d like to think they had a plan that involved being split up 14 ways - to help solve some kind of problem. (A little army of Azems). But if they didn’t know the sundering was going to happen - then the results (and story) might be a bit more tragic.

    Given that the 13th’s fall into darkness was very early in the post-sundering timeline - I wonder if that will come into play.

    I could also see Azem and their friends trying to actually help Emet with the unsundering very early in the post-sundering world. At that point - it might have not even seemed like that bad of an idea - since all the people being re-merged were analogous to each other. The copied planets hadn’t had much time yet to diverge.

    Maybe after the 13th though - Azem was like “bad idea.” And they parted ways with Emet’s plan.

    Lots to consider in those first few moments post-sundering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    We can't say that for sure. Maybe it's undetectable in the sky but reacts with the ground, or something.

    It's possible that the Sound is caused by something else, but not impossible that Meteion's song caused it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I'm not saying that Meteion didn't cause it, I'm saying that she caused whatever made it to make it.

    Meteion was a telepath as well as an empath. It's entirely possible there wasn't a sound at all, as far as the air or ground vibrating goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shookbeast View Post
    This is beginning to make sense to me.

    What I find fascinating about this - is that we had Emet bopping from reflection to reflection. He got to meet 14 versions of his friend Azem - and who knows what transpired…
    Thats how I see it too. At the start we had 14 planets who are identical to each other with identical people and culture. And then these people may make different choices over time. And thus slowly the shards began to change. Then you had the poor source that got the calamities which changed much on it (and of course the poor shards that got destroyed). Who knows what life is on those other shards that never got such a calamity. Who knows how many relics of the ancient times are still there.

    I do believe that every Azem died at least once. They are now mortal too and I doubt the time was so much off that barely any years have gone by on some shards. But who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Mentioning the Watcher reminds me – I think they said in passing something about being based on a specific person? I wonder if that's significant. (And will have to double-check exactly what they said.)
    I think livingway mentioned that the origional Watcher was one of Venats group that worked towards creating the moon and the rabbits. Also I think the Watcher mentioned that Elpis was his name which is why he reacted to the Elpis flower.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 12-31-2021 at 07:52 PM.

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