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    Quote Originally Posted by h-alpha View Post
    Time travel hurts my brain. Others have probably explained this better elsewhere, but...

    We are the Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's chosen champion. For that to happen, we needed Venat to know who we were, awaken the Echo in us, and give us her Blessing of Light, alongside creating a race of rabbits with a spaceship that could eventually take us to Meteion. In order for Venat to know to do that, we needed to go back in time and tell her these things - the idea being that the events that led us to travel back in time to Elpis were only ever possible because we did go back in time. So nothing that we did in the past could have changed what Venat did - she was always going to do what she did, because it needed to be done so that the exact circumstances that allowed for us to go back in time to tell her could happen.

    A similar causal loop theory of time travel was used in the Alexander raids as well, I believe.
    This is the "venat as causality slave" interpretation I was talking about, to be clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurina View Post
    This is the "venat as causality slave" interpretation I was talking about, to be clear.
    The thing with causal loops is that there are generally two ways it can happen:

    1. All actions are set and characters have no free will. Following a script, like you said (Novikov’s self-consistency principle)

    2. Characters are not necessarily following a script, they can act against it, but the universe will protect the timeline in any way it can by adjusting to those new actions so that they ultimately result in the same outcome regardless (timeline-protection hypothesis)

    There's a chance that she did try to change things - maybe her monologue is one of those attempts, maybe she did try to warn the Convocation. But because of the nature of that second one, it wouldn't matter. She'd give a speech and nobody would listen to her. She'd warn Emet-selch and he'd think she was hallucinating under the stress of the world falling apart around them, or happen to be unavailable at the exact moments that she tries to speak with him about it, or whatever. The universe would find a way, however improbable the event, to keep the timeline on the correct course.
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    Last edited by h-alpha; 12-30-2021 at 03:44 PM.

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