Anyone Else Noticing Shield Healers Are Being Paired With Shield Healers?

[Hanayumi]

Despite being the quintessential shield healers more often than not youll rarely use your normal full cast gcd shields, and thus rarely conflict with another shield healers. Ogcd or instant heals are more than enough to get through fights so far, not to mention sch and sge with all the general midigation is a lit nuts, can just about keep up 5-10% whole fight with 2 shield healers...

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

SCH/SGE is a powerful pair on the hands of well coordinated groups.

In pugs though? It could get messy.

[Dearche]

SCH/SGE is a powerful pair on the hands of well coordinated groups.

In pugs though? It could get messy.

You say could, but I find that it only happens when it would get pretty messy with any healer anyways. The difference is that with teh other healers (especially the pure healers), you still stand a chance at recovering as it's relatively easy to heal back to full before the next major AOE after half your party died. SGE's only choice is to pray that nobody gets hit by anything hard for the next 30-60s while healing everyone up more slowly.

The issue is that the pure healers basically only have to press like two buttons to recover from a near wipe once you got all the rezzes out, but the shield healers have to do quite a lot of work to fix the party from such an ordeal. But if people don't drop like flies on a regular basis due to standing in red twice a minute?

I'll admit that it's an iffy proposition in PUGs, but if your party got into that mess in the first place, there's a good chance they'll get into it badly enough that it's not recoverable.

[IllyaPrisma]

Kerachole and Soil are an absurd combination for Prog. WHM is a bit lackluster right now, and really doesn't play nice with the other healers. AST is currently on the low end of rDPS, so for the time being, groups have been running SCH/SGE. After the balance patch on Tuesday, this may change, but unless they straight up prevent Kerachole and Soil from stacking, SCH+SGE will be a very strong prog healer duo.

[Connor]

Inb4 SCH+SGE becomes the ultimate guaranteed raid pairing, this causing the devs’ so called ‘splitting of pure and barrier’ heals to have been completely redundant as a result of their own design .

‘We are creating a distinction between pure and barrier healers then making one clearly better than the other thus negating the need for any kind of separation at all’.

Honestly I don’t see the savage patch changing much, but hopefully I’m wrong

[EaMett]

Inb4 SCH+SGE becomes the ultimate guaranteed raid pairing, this causing the devs’ so called ‘splitting of pure and barrier’ heals to have been completely redundant as a result of their own design .

‘We are creating a distinction between pure and barrier healers then making one clearly better than the other thus negating the need for any kind of separation at all’.

Honestly I don’t see the savage patch changing much, but hopefully I’m wrong

Also what I was thinking. My static is taking sch/sge for a spin ahead of the raid tier to see how we feel about it in prog. But outside of prog that's going to be the meta (barring some savage patch class reworks, sage nerfs?)

[Kacho_Nacho]

Gods I hope they set the the matchmaker to always have 1 shield and 1 pure like they said in the live letter so we can f*** the queue times.

Seems to me the addition of Sage will not entice more players to try healing. What it did is give the existing healers another job to check out. Since the pool of healers hasn't changed, I can't see that the queue times would be hugely affected.

Yoshida advertised "one of each healer type" rule exclusively for Raid Finder. If you are on NA/EU you have likely never used that feature, and never will. For your average Dungeon Finder content it literally doesn't matter what your healers are.

Ah. Everything makes sense now.

You are sort of correct in your assumption about me. I seldom use raid finder in FFXIV. You can blame the raiding scene in that other MMORPG™ for frying my soul to a crisp. Nowadays, I keep it all casual.

Out of curiosity, why would NA/EU players use Raid Finder less than other players?

WHM is a bit lackluster right now, and really doesn't play nice with the other healers.

How so? Nothing comes immediately to mind as to why white mages would clash with the other healers.

[Liam_Harper]

Inb4 SCH+SGE becomes the ultimate guaranteed raid pairing, this causing the devs’ so called ‘splitting of pure and barrier’ heals to have been completely redundant as a result of their own design .

It wouldn't surprise me. As I said back when they first announced the divide, there's no point in it if they don't make shield healing it's own unique playstyle.

If one healer is Pure Heal and another is Pure Heal + Mitigation, it's not difficult to see why the second one becomes the more attractive option. AST is fortunate in that it has some mitigation too, but WHM is purely played because it's less tedious to play than AST, not by any merit of it's toolkit, which is poor design.

[Azuri]

Ah. Everything makes sense now.

You are sort of correct in your assumption about me. I seldom use raid finder in FFXIV. You can blame the raiding scene in that other MMORPG™ for frying my soul to a crisp. Nowadays, I keep it all casual.

Out of curiosity, why would NA/EU players use Raid Finder less than other players?

I was not making an assumption about you specifically. Raid Finder is a system SE uses for what they deem high-end duties (i.e. latest extreme fight, latest savage tier and all ultimates) to give player a little bit more granular queuing tools. Unlike Duty Finder, that just throws the required number of bodies in the instance, Raid Finder allows you to select a couple more options like being paired only with players who have cleared the duty previously or players who want to practice the fight.

This system is entirely abandoned and pretty much never utilzied on NA/EU DCs. Extreme and above are done more or less exclusively through Party Finder where party leader creates an advertisement for others to join them with a lot more robust selection tools (freely selected minimum required ilvl, full control over party composition, tags, etc.) and a short description (where they can put strategies and so on) and enters the duty as a pre-made party once it fills.

[IllyaPrisma]

How so? Nothing comes immediately to mind as to why white mages would clash with the other healers.

WHM has very little to offer in Off-Global Cooldowns, and they are a pDPS hog. This will force most of the healing load on the other Healer. You can observe this in a majority of Savage Clears or Ex Primals. WHMs HPS in comparison to the other healer is always significantly lower. They also have the issue of Assize being a forced damage CD. That's what I mean by "WHM doesn't play nice with the other healers".