Endwalker's story had me, but lost me. Ethical issues especially (spoilers)

[Rosenstrauch]

Well, if the WoL did change the future, wouldn't they return to the new future like G'raha did?

Er, G'raha didn't return to any future. He stayed right where he was.

And whether or not we'd return to our future is a tossup. Actually, I can't remember how we did that in the first place. All the technology needed to send us back in time... we didn't exactly stick it in our pocket and take it with us. How did we leave Elpis?

[Ryaz]

Er, G'raha didn't return to any future. He stayed right where he was.

And whether or not we'd return to our future is a tossup. Actually, I can't remember how we did that in the first place. All the technology needed to send us back in time... we didn't exactly stick it in our pocket and take it with us. How did we leave Elpis?

His soul and memories came back with us to our timeline, he didn't end up back in the other branched path, so it does show that they can end up in a different timeline. Though I suppose that could be explained away due to him being in the crystal.

[Veloran]

His soul and memories came back with us to our timeline, he didn't end up back in the other branched path, so it does show that they can end up in a different timeline. Though I suppose that could be explained away due to him being in the crystal.

The First and the Source aren't different timelines, they're just two shards of the sundered world. The Eighth Umbral Calamity era is a different timeline, and a lot of people seem to be under the impression that G'raha going back in time destroyed that timeline, when in fact it only created a divergent timeline, ours.

A major issue I have with Elpis is that in theory, they could all be saved simply by creating another divergent timeline. Even if the Ancients failed to do so, WoL could simply go back and stop Meteion themselves. Implicitly, the only thing preventing this from happening is that unlike G'raha, WoL lacks the personal investment to expend the effort of trying to save them. Which would run contrary to WoL's character, practically making them a bad person by way of laziness.

[Anonymoose]

EAll the technology needed to send us back in time... we didn't exactly stick it in our pocket and take it with us. How did we leave Elpis?

Seeing as we destroyed the Tycoon, how did we even get there in the first place? Elidibus just says he "mastered the tower" and "stole G'raha's memories". I'm stuck forming my own head-canon that Wundercatte's super duper eidetic memory still held all the Wings of Time (/ Omega) computations to lower my blood pressure.

But it looks like the ocular's portal to Elpis is just...open. And then there's the FSH quests where the Sharlayans are like,
"Oh, yeah, we knew about time travel but you need authorization."

This was the price I paid for "Crystal Mom Loves You and Tried Her Best."

You could hear the monkey's paw curling behind me.

[Denishia]

Seeing as we destroyed the Tycoon, how did we even get there in the first place? Elidibus just says he "mastered the tower" and "stole G'raha's memories". I'm stuck forming my own head-canon that Wundercatte's super duper eidetic memory still held all the Wings of Time (/ Omega) computations to lower my blood pressure.

But it looks like the ocular's portal to Elpis is just...open. And then there's the FSH quests where the Sharlayans are like,
"Oh, yeah, we knew about time travel but you need authorization."

This was the price I paid for "Crystal Mom Loves You and Tried Her Best."

You could hear the monkey's paw curling behind me.

for my own sanity I want to rewrite all of Elpis as one of those extended Echo flashbacks with limited interactions that we are doing on Elidibus's memories- but that breaks the metaphysics even more-so. Or hey- maybe our presence there could have been a weird Echo flash-forward of Venat. But it's definitely messy and works on demands of fanservice and giving the players an entire zone instead of a long solo instance.

[Rosenstrauch]

Seeing as we destroyed the Tycoon, how did we even get there in the first place? Elidibus just says he "mastered the tower" and "stole G'raha's memories". I'm stuck forming my own head-canon that Wundercatte's super duper eidetic memory still held all the Wings of Time (/ Omega) computations to lower my blood pressure.

But it looks like the ocular's portal to Elpis is just...open.

Well, if that's the case, then I'd say whether or not we could return to our timeline if we happened to cause a split is... entirely arbitrary, I guess?

And then there's the FSH quests where the Sharlayans are like,
"Oh, yeah, we knew about time travel but you need authorization."

This calls for more expletives than I'm comfortable with sharing on this forum. I... God. I think I need to stop.