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    eagledorf's Avatar
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    Jugem Mumei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhearil View Post
    I will gladly trade a nice cohesive kit (even if not perfect) like PLD's for the messy kit DRK has right now that the only reason is still viable is its potency values. Being balanced only by just having nice damage is the crappiest thing you can imagine thats why DRK is currently the least popular tank despite its huge popularity before
    I agree, DRK (and IMO WAR) are pretty boring and DRK is a mess design-wise. I frankly gave up levelling WAR after trying a few dungeons and realizing it's not going to change looking at the skill list.

    PLD and GNB feel really good to play, but balance is definitely important. PLD was excluded from groups in 3.0 for having slightly lower DPS because the game design so heavily rewards DPS. A fun job isn't fun if nobody will let you play with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagledorf View Post
    PLD was excluded from groups in 3.0 for having slightly lower DPS because the game design so heavily rewards DPS. A fun job isn't fun if nobody will let you play with them.
    PLD were excluded in Heavensward raids not because they did low DPS they actually did fine in that department, they were excuded because their whole kit relied on mitigating physical damage, block also only worked on physical attacks at that time. They were exceptionaly bad at tanking in raids during that time because every TB was magical. Due to that groups took a DRK over a PLD anyday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    PLD were excluded in Heavensward raids not because they did low DPS they actually did fine in that department, they were excuded because their whole kit relied on mitigating physical damage, block also only worked on physical attacks at that time. They were exceptionaly bad at tanking in raids during that time because every TB was magical. Due to that groups took a DRK over a PLD anyday.
    Nah, I raided on PLD at that time. It was really DPS, A3S was primarily physical damage on the tank and that was usually the barrier for groups to progress past. A4S PLD did have problems with the last phase cycling cooldowns because of lack of magical mitigation as you say and having longer cooldown times, but it was doable. A1S is where PLD not working on magic came from, and it was true PLD ran out of cooldowns in A1S, but it was actually cleared first on PLD.

    I mean, block not working on magical damage and Halone only working on physical damage were both terrible, terrible design decisions, but they weren't the main reason PLD was excluded. You just had to sit in Sword Oath 100% of the time to make competitive DPS on PLD and that made it a worse tank by default.
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    Last edited by eagledorf; 12-29-2021 at 09:10 PM.