*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[KizuyaKatogami]

You say all this yet forget that their race was simply not capable of fighting against something like Meteion. Part of the reason for the sundering was to give man the means to fight back.

Once again, we don’t know that. They simply didn’t have time. Had Venat told them the truth instead of keeping secrets from them perhaps they would have been able to. There’s nothing really pointing to why they couldn’t. The “reason” for the sundering rings a bit hollow when Venat didn’t give her own people a chance in the first place.

[thegreatonemal]

Once again, we don’t know that. They simply didn’t have time. Had Venat told them the truth instead of keeping secrets from them perhaps they would have been able to. There’s nothing really pointing to why they couldn’t. The “reason” for the sundering rings a bit hollow when Venat didn’t give her own people a chance in the first place.

We know how the two forces interact, they wouldn't have stood a chance. Zodiark didn't stop the final days he just delayed it.

[Jandor]

Once again, we don’t know that.

Emet outright says that they would not have done as well as we have.

[Theodric]

I've said as much before but it's well worth repeating. It makes sense for the Sundered to not want to roll over and die in favour of the Unsundered and to do everything possible in order to survive and fight against destruction.

However, it also makes sense for the Unsundered to want to do the same thing. It's unfortunate, but they were never given a fair chance due to Venat's actions.

Given that the Ancients had a society built around safeguarding the Star as well as a lot of focus on research and civil debate, it seems possible that a solution could potentially have been found if not for the treachery and sabotage from within.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Emet outright says that they would not have done as well as we have.

That’s with him not having the knowledge he could’ve had, had they actually put time in learning how to counter it lmao. That’s emet from the time where they didn’t even have a chance to fight back.

We know how the two forces interact, they wouldn't have stood a chance. Zodiark didn't stop the final days he just delayed it.

Thats not something we can say though. We know Hermes was able to discover Dynamis. We had some of the knowledge to give to Venat. had she told them and they actively worked to counter Meteion they more than likely could have. If we're talking pre Zodiark. If its post zodiark it was at least delayed and thats more time they could put towards it, but im mainly talking pre final days.Venat's entire plan rested on someone whom she knew for what, a few hours? She placed all her trust in us and not her own people, who were powerful and smart in their own right. I find it incredibly hard to believe that out of the entire universes that Meteion destroyed it was only the sundered who could defeat her lol.

[Cleretic]

That’s with him not having the knowledge he could’ve had, had they actually put time in learning how to counter it lmao. That’s emet from the time where they didn’t even have a chance to fight back.

Uhm... no, that's Emet brought back from the dead in Ultima Thule. Reunited with the knowledge taken from him by Kairos, freed from whatever Zodiark tempering did to his mind, and with the hindsight to see everything that had happened. That's as close to a fair and unbiased view as you'll ever get from the guy.

And another point of order: Hermes did not 'discover' dynamis. It's stated several times that it's an extremely esoteric field of study. But it is a field of study, which means there's rather a bit of background reading to do if you're not someone like Hermes.

Finally... we do know they literally didn't stand a chance against the Final Days by themselves. Everything they summoned in the face of the Final Days became a Terminus beast. Given that's basically how they solved every problem, they'd struggle with the very first hurdle of 'stopping Meteion', to say nothing of the other... six or so.

[EaraGrace]

We know though based on Elpis side quests and Pandaemonium story so far that they did suffer. They knew suffering already. The fact is she didn’t even give them a chance. She talks about hope so much yet she didn’t have any hope in her own people. She instead placed all her hope in someone she had only just met which makes her look even worse.

This just isn’t true though. People keep saying this but this is objectively not true. We are shown her trying to convince others. You can say she didn’t go far enough, but to say she didn’t try at all is just wrong. And the faith she had in the sundered is the faith she had in the unsundered, she doesn’t distinguish between the two like that.

[Veloran]

Perhaps, but humanity now has had the experiences they need to know how to approach suffering. The answer is there.

What experiences? Roughly every 100 years max every individual's memories and experiences are completely reset upon death, at which point they reincarnate into a new, innocent being. And culturally there isn't any "experience" either - As was the sweeping point at the end of 5.0, everything fades with time. Everything that has happened now will be lost to history, forgotten as the mountains tumble to dust and the edifices of this age wear to nothing. Not to mention, how many people fell to despair in moments in Endwalker? Transformed into monstrosities almost instantly by hopelessness? Did they not learn the right lessons?

A truth that might’ve destroyed them. They barely handled the Final Days, if they knew what awaited them at the edge of universe they’d fall divided.

I should think they would take significant comfort in the fact that the Final Days was merely the result of a rogue creation utilizing a powerful energy source rather than being a completely unknowable apocalypse event springing forth from nowhere and nothing. The latter of these circumstances is clearly more difficult to process than the former.

A plan that required thousands of years of research and aether accumulation. And once they get to that other world, then what?

They had thousands of years, given the planet was being protected. And if Venat and her allies were working on it themselves it should have gone quite quickly. As to the second point, ask Venat given she chose to go with that plan even with that question in place.

If they lay out that Zodiark didn’t actively seek temper people but did so just out of virtue of how powerful he was, then that’s that.

That is that, yes. That being bad writing. Hell, it's so vague and contradictory you can hardly even claim that to be the case.

vs a planet wide announcement.

Then don't tell everyone? Or hell, do so. It wasn't a panic that caused the Final Days, it was overwhelming space magic plowing through holes in the atmosphere.

You say all this yet forget that their race was simply not capable of fighting against something like Meteion. Part of the reason for the sundering was to give man the means to fight back.

If only they were capable of creating some sort of beings with the means to fight. Perhaps by thinning the aether of willing individuals somehow. Even just one true hero, who could somehow be split into fourteen copies of themselves. But I guess such a thing was simply beyond their power.

[Theodric]

I suppose it's well worth pointing out that the Ancients weren't obligated to go along with Venat's plan. Much in the same way as how not everybody was obligated to go along with the Convocation's plan. The Ancient world was built around debate even in dire circumstances and it was Venat who opted to take choice and free will away from everybody.

Another poster brought up an excellent point. Veloran, I believe. About how Venat could have opted to create a spaceship and flee with those who agreed with her. Much in the same way as how Midgardsormr chose to leave his Star behind. Such a choice would have allowed Venat to enact her own resistance and the Convocation to enact theirs.

Venat may have prevented the Sundered from being wiped out, though they only exist due to her own actions...and came at the expense of her own people. Let's not forget that she didn't even have the grace to allow their memories to persist - it was only due to Y'shtola and the Warrior of Light opting to honour Emet-Selch's request that the truth of the origins of the world was not only exposed but honoured.

[thegreatonemal]

You are aware that they are not aware of the nature of the thing they would be fighting. They just assumed the star was dying and they weren't too keen on finding out either. They just wanted to run back to their peaceful lives...at the cost of more lives.
@above. You do realize that she Metieon intended to kill every single thing in the universe correct? Sundering man kind was the only way to enabling mankind to fight back. Had Venat just run away she would be in the same situation as anybody else in the universe.