So this started happening.

[Undeadfire]

The Sparkfledged in the second half of the fight that hit the OT definitely have magical auto-attacks. Dark Mind has a pretty obvious effect on them, they're listed as magical on every log, etc.

I'll need to have a look again when I go again, I was very sure I saw blunt on the registration.

[Derio]

I didnt experience this when leveling DRK but now that I am going in on my DPS I notice the 81-89 dungeons healers leave instantly if the tank is a DRK. Seen this only 3 times but thats enough to show concern

[Undeadfire]

I didnt experience this when leveling DRK but now that I am going in on my DPS I notice the 81-89 dungeons healers leave instantly if the tank is a DRK. Seen this only 3 times but thats enough to show concern

This isn't a problem for Dark Knight, it's a problem with Healer attitude.

Gunbreaker, Paladin, Dark Knight had little to no sustain in AOEs from Shadowbringers, and lower to a point Warrior had none. It's people getting spoiled with an easier mode and we shouldn't be encouraging this, making tanks more broken so they can continue spamming Cure 1/Benefic/Physick. I've dealt with Healers leaving because they only want to spam the lowest cure possible doing nothing else, they leave if they actually have to work.

[Shurrikhan]

Gunbreaker, Paladin, Dark Knight had little to no sustain in AOEs from Shadowbringers, and lower to a point Warrior had none.

...Have we forgotten Nascent existed in Shadowbringers, Steel Cyclone in Stormblood, Equilibrium in Heavensward, and 30s (Marauder trait) Bloodbath in ARR (with a relative 990-potency self-heal on Inner Beast before 660 of that was sacrificed for a 6s 20% mitigation effect)?

Warrior has historically been the self-sustain tank.

[Undeadfire]

...Have we forgotten Nascent existed in Shadowbringers, Steel Cyclone in Stormblood, Equilibrium in Heavensward, and 30s (Marauder trait) Bloodbath in ARR?

Bloodbath was nowhere near as effective as Nascent flash, it helped but didn't make you unkillable, no where close.

[Shurrikhan]

Bloodbath was nowhere near as effective as Nascent flash, it helped but didn't make you unkillable, no where close.

Context. What self-sustain did ARR Paladin have? Warrior had one third uptime on a quarter of its DPS as HPS, the only tank AoEs, and self-heal on its resource (stacks, at the time) spenders.

Also,

I'll need to have a look again when I go again, I was very sure I saw blunt on the registration.

Enemies effectively only have three damage types: Physical, Magical, and Non-typally-mitigatable (what NA and most of EU calls "Dark").

[Undeadfire]

Context. What self-sustain did ARR Paladin have? Marauder had one third uptime on a quarter of its DPS as HPS, the only tank AoEs, and self-heal on its gauge spenders.

Paladins had none, but they were effective for raid groups in different ways after the Warrior rework in 2.1. Rage of Halone did a permanent -10% Strength, Stoneskin raid mates during off time, Flash to make busters chance of missing, Hallowed Ground.

The original Overpower had a long animation before taking effect, and Bloodbath did 25% damage to HP, Overpower barely did a lot making Bloodbath in the 100HP, or lower per hit, and HP was maxed out 5-6k+ pushing up to 10k till HW. Nascent Flash literally shoved you back to max.

Enemies effectively only have three damage types: Physical, Magical, and Non-typally-mitigatable (what NA and most of EU calls "Dark").

In simple context, yes.

[Shurrikhan]

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. I'm not saying that Nascent wasn't a large leap forward in self-sustain. But Warrior has always been among the higher half or the highest in terms of self-sustain. It never had "lower" self-sustain than Paladin. It certainly never had "none".

[Undeadfire]

No point, just making discussion, it's a forum after all.

The only history I can submit is Warrior 2.0 couldn't even remotely tank anything, no joke it really couldn't. Foresight/Vengeance only did Defense+ than damage % reduction, original Defiance reduced 25% damage and adding 25% HP. Raid bosses completely murdered it, couldn't even mass pull, until 2.1 which fixed the issues.

Seriously though, I admit the error.