Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[NyannCat]

What's "wrong" with it?

It just has a weird animation. To me it looks like I have a broken, limp right food whenever I'm sprinting. It's hard to explain, it's like everything below the right knee just does a weird reset/snaps for a milisecond.

It's more noticeable with certain gear that are less bulky.

Some people in my FC were talking about this the other day and now I can't unsee it.

[SturmChurro]

I was looking at some of the new raid gear, and I thought this was odd:



Like, is it supposed to be floating past your face? It looks bizarre.

[LisSquid]

Lots of the glasses/visors they "fitted" for Viera/Hrothgar stick out so far. I had become so used to glasses not touching my nose that I was surprised to find out that they actually aren't supposed to sit on the character like that. It's not like Viera's head geometry is all that weird to begin with, but I guess they wear glasses through levitation magic.

[Ultaniku]

In my mind glasses are just worn around my head like you wear goggles.

[Iscah]

Like, is it supposed to be floating past your face? It looks bizarre.

It floats on my Midlander. Slightly less, but still definitely off the face.

As far as I've noticed, it's a common thing with certain face gear across all races. I assume it has to be set to accommodate the largest possible face settings for any of the four faces, and they usually have one really large model that few people actually use, so it sits outside of what most people are using for their character. (I understand that Hrothgar is particularly bad on this front as they have a bigger variety of face shapes.)

Additionally some circlets seem intended to sit over hair and they float badly when mixed with more tied-back styles.

[Halivel]

Does any other male viera feel like the sprint animation is weird?
Has this been talked about?

It looks absolutely fine to me? Didn't notice any issues at least.

[Halivel]

Lots of the glasses/visors they "fitted" for Viera/Hrothgar stick out so far. I had become so used to glasses not touching my nose that I was surprised to find out that they actually aren't supposed to sit on the character like that. It's not like Viera's head geometry is all that weird to begin with, but I guess they wear glasses through levitation magic.

I mean... Miqo'te do the same since 2013

[Raikai]

I know someone already pointed out that one of the reasons for the lack of more hats that would work just as fine with ears clipping (like calfskin cap, or a bandana) would be that the current unique Viera hairstyles got no "hat friendly" versions.

That's fine for what it is... However, I went through some items and realized those too are all closed around the head/jaw as well, so they don't need to show any hair.

Said that, all of them are eligible to have either ears clipping through their flat-ish top surface, or just hiding the ears altogether (for the ones that could clearly fit some ears in) like they did with the Pag'than helms.

- "Egg" mogstation helms
- Kabuto helms and the Heavensturn ones (hide ears)
- Serpent's Elite mask
- Flame's Elite Helm
- Flame Elite's Hood
- Abyss Burgeonet
- Anemos Pot Helm
- Warwolf Mask of Aiming (hide ears)
- Highland Hood (hide ears)
- Helm of Light
- Bronze Barbut
- Fighters Burgeonet
- Dented Celata
- Behemoth Helm (hide ears)
- Ninja Hatsuburi
- Scylla Helms (hide ears)
- Dreadwyrm hood of healing
- Baron Helm
- Bluespirit helm of fending
- Hempen Coif


Granted, this list is very on-the-go. I think there are a lot more that could be added to it. Also, while this might be just 1 item (i.e. Warwolf Helm) such a change would reflect in every other item that uses the same model, so an accurate list would be much bigger than this one.

edit: Alternatively... they could just bite the bullet and create hat-friendly versions of Viera unique hairstyles and broaden that list threefold... since there aren't that many to begin with! Male Viera only got 9 styles if you merge the variations (bangs, no bangs, etc).

[Quintessa]

SE actually did make all of the Tower hats work

Enabling a flag to allow the race to use it while not properly altering the mesh is not the same as making it work. It's just shutting us up about it instead.

[reivaxe]

Enabling a flag to allow the race to use it while not properly altering the mesh is not the same as making it work. It's just shutting us up about it instead.

No, they did "make them work". I'm fairly sure there's more than enabling a flag to make a face cover fit a Hrothgar's face this well (Looks pretty good to me). I've been keeping track of it to some extent, Hrothgar use to only be able to wear bucket helms that fully covered the face, now they've made more and more that can show their face. Hoods on Viera have also gotten better I think, less "bulbous head" and more skull fitting.

And ... what exactly do you want them to do?
Make different ear hole configurations to hats to properly accommodate their 4+ ear options? That's at least 4 times more work than any other race gets for things to fit their head.

The way I see it, unless they devote a f-ton of time to this, hats are just gonna look trash for Viera.
They would have to either figure out a way to make ear holes for each pair of ears (Could very well break a hat's design. Underwear on the head look, oof), find a way to move the ears around to accommodate certain hat styles, turn the ears OFF (an under-rated option. Many people HATE clipping and would love to be able to turn tails off for this reason) or just let them look trash as they clip through.

I fear that this pressure to alleviate this pain point for Viera and Hrothgar players will simply result in more hats like this and the Reaper hat that completely takes away the hair (I really hope that style of hat isn't their forever trademark) and more "Non-hat" headgear like the raid gear/ Sage eye thing, so that these players are not left out.
It's far less work to just make more hats like those that everyone can wear than it would be to figure out how to fix a core design problem that they foolishly based these races upon.