People advertising they're running Parsers

[Exosapien]

So youve just admitted to poking your nose into the logs of people who have never applied for your static, and never intend to, and as they have those logs private because it is , in fact, none of your business, you dont like it.

Ever hear the word "privacy"?

You sound crazy right now.

Edit: Maybe it's the overuse of bold text. Maybe.

[VelKallor]

You sound crazy right now.

Edit: Maybe it's the overuse of bold text. Maybe.

Noted.

I am making a specific point, and this medium is..limited in that regard.

[LittleImp]

Anyway, the moral of the story is, even if it's not a performance red-flag, hidden logs are often a mentality red-flag.

Yeah.

its called none of your business.

On the unlikely chance I will EVER want to "join " your static ( chances of that are more or less 0.000000000000001% ) I will let you know.

If anyone wanted an example of what I meant by my statement above, look no further than the unusual level of hostility coming from this person.

So you are dismissing OUT OF HAND the raid utility that support classes bring to the table?

I'm supporting the idea that the 'utility' of certain jobs is often incredibly overstated and misunderstood in the context of balance discussions.

[VelKallor]

Not hostile at all, actually. More amused.

It simply surprises me that the principle of privacy, even if this day and age of information, seems to not register. Not making certain details public isnt "suspicious" or a "mentality" at all, more a commentary on an individuals preferences for privacy..and the inablity of others to accept that principle at face value.

Incidentally, FFLogs themselves provide a guide as to how to hide log data.

Note the following sentence.

We understand that privacy is important to many players. When parses of your fights get uploaded without your permission, this can be very frustrating.

I'm supporting the idea that the 'utility' of certain jobs is often incredibly overstated and misunderstood in the context of balance discussions.

The game devs dont seem to think so.....

[LittleImp]

Not hostile at all, actually. More amused.

It simply surprises me that the principle of privacy, even if this day and age of information, seems to not register. Not making certain details public isnt "suspicious" or a "mentality" at all, more a commentary on an individuals preferences for privacy..and the inablity of others to accept that principle at face value.

*shrug*

I'm not sure how saving and then displaying inherently public data is a violation of someone's privacy. Players can already view and save any action you execute or message you send in their vicinity by simply sweep selecting the combat log if they so desire.

This information is already freely accessible to anyone playing with you. If you're concerned about privacy, you would need to play exclusively with a private group sworn to secrecy or something.

If they have never applied to your static and never intend to....how is whats in those logs ANY of your concern?

It isnt..is it?

When people are pugging highly difficult content like Ultimate , it's not that uncommon for someone to logcheck people as they join the party. It's seen as a form of risk-mitigation, and a way to help people set appropriate expectations.

[VelKallor]

I'm not sure how saving and then displaying inherently public data is a violation of someone's privacy.

There was a post earlier ( cant remember which page ), where it was raised that that this could be covered under GDPR. Now THAT would be an interesting case to look at...one of my tutors back in compliance said that the internet was ten years ahead of the law.

From a purely curiosity POV, I wonder how that would wind up. What is private , what isnt , how is it defined? Its an..interesting conundrum.

[plunky]

Just do this report them all calling ya out

[-Mira-]

I personally find parsers a little anxiety giving. I mean I understand feeling curious on how well you do vs the people around you…

Maybe I am just a bad player? I do recall once joining a undersized savage party and they did surprise me saying that I did most damage on one round. Well I am dps mostly so ok.

Look most people, and I myself. Will do the best we can. Still we aren’t machines, we are human. Some rounds we’ll do great other times our minds are distracted or haven’t had enough sleep or something that makes us a little less responsive. I think judging people on just a moment is kind of rude in a way.

Also personal note. I have a movement disorder that has some similarities with epilepsy except I can handle flashing lights and my trigger is having to respond quickly. Well often enough I have to respond quickly to win. Some fights are a double struggle for me. I try to keep up while also doing my best to not lose my control over my movements.

Because when I get a full blown attack I won’t be able to do a thing for a little while… Last full blown was when I responded to go do msq roulette roughly 2 weeks ago. Trigger was me clicking to commence I was so so glad that there was an unskippable cutscene at the start because I needed that to get control over my movement back catch my breath find my controller and headphones as I had flung them off in the moment. Haven’t had full blown attacks since I have mild control over my triggers not 100% control but I will do my best to stay in charge over my movements. Still am sure that on rough fights where my symptoms tickle me and having an aura announcing it can happen anny moment my actions in game reduce a little more to a basic level rather than the best I could if I didn’t have the symptoms tugging at me… sometimes I do feel like: Maybe I should quit and give up on FFXIV because gaming is really hard for me during those moments… but at the same time the story and adventures are so good that I do push on and just do as good as I can for that moment. But I have sat crying wanting to give up but also not wanting to give up because I want to continue on…

If anyone with a parser dares to scold me on not being good enough that I will probably scream at my screen.

[Batbrat]

I feel like half of the responses didnt even bother fully reading what the other side said. They just puffed their chests and got angry, jumping to defend why they use parsing when others repeatedly stated that using parses for yourself is just fine-it's just when you harass someone else about it that it's bad. I think that's an agreeable rule, right? but time and time again someone would see that and jump out of their skin like "WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU IF I PARSE AND STALK YOUR LOG PAGE AFTER LOCKING EYE CONTACT WITH YOU FOR 2 SECONDS IN TOWN ONCE??" Sweetheart, why is your reading comprehension failing you-I just...

If someone is a jerk or a loud mouth in-game about parsing/logs, then yes, uh huh! They should absolutely be reported and given a vacation. There's no justification for it. So again, I agree that's fine if you use it to improve for yourself or in a friend group where they're all ok with it, but just don't be mean to strangers and don't go around screaming that you're using it like it's perfectly ok and normal-which was OP's entire point, long since forgotten. and if that makes you angry then maybe you should ask yourself why the possibility of getting in trouble for harrassing someone makes you so upset. A hit dog will holler, afterall.

[Velnora]

I feel like half of the responses didnt even bother fully reading what the other side said. They just puffed their chests and got angry, jumping to defend why they use parsing when others repeatedly stated that using parses for yourself is just fine-it's just when you harass someone else about it that it's bad. I think that's an agreeable rule, right? but time and time again someone would see that and jump out of their skin like "WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU IF I PARSE AND STALK YOUR LOG PAGE AFTER LOCKING EYE CONTACT WITH YOU FOR 2 SECONDS IN TOWN ONCE??" Sweetheart, why is your reading comprehension failing you-I just...

If someone is a jerk or a loud mouth in-game about parsing/logs, then yes, uh huh! They should absolutely be reported and given a vacation. There's no justification for it. So again, I agree that's fine if you use it to improve for yourself or in a friend group where they're all ok with it, but just don't be mean to strangers and don't go around screaming that you're using it like it's perfectly ok and normal-which was OP's entire point, long since forgotten. and if that makes you angry then maybe you should ask yourself why the possibility of getting in trouble for harrassing someone makes you so upset. A hit dog will holler, afterall.

The issue is, there isn't a widespread problem of people harassing others other about their damage, and the notion that making parsers legal would suddenly cause that to change is unfounded. Parsers are a tool. One, that is essential for any sort of balancing, even for those that are so adamant against them; as it effects them too.